Wouldn’t the 174 be a little bit overpowered, even on a slow ass Hornet? I mean, I guess they could just add it in a nerfed state, as currently the SH is just really bad, even in Ground RB it is nothing compared to Eurofighters, Rafales, Gripens etc.
I make suggess in new BR change topic now.
I might be wrong but cant esa radars act similar to maw irl?
yeah they can but its not implemented
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I guess gaijin prepare AIM-9X (Block I) after decompression battle rating
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Hope its will get 9X and 120D soon.
But how does that make it any better than F-15C GE which also would be getting 9X? I think they are also going to add next gen ARH missile like AIM-174B which would justify it going to 14.7
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That the point, I think same as you think its should be lower then F-15C GE.
If its not get AIM-174B (Pheonix return hell YEAH!!!)
We are reading too much into Gaijin’s thinking here, I don’t think the BR change guarantees in any way the addition of any new weapons. This has the out of touch developer meme written all over it, they might genuinely believe that the F/A-18E is on par with the other 14.7s as it is.
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Either that or they want as many trees as possible to have a “top BR” jet.
So that way they can cope that the US tree has a 14.7 jet and they can also cope and act that the F/A-18E was a worthwhile addition that wasn’t added a year too late.
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they balance the super hornet like Maverick is flying it
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Is it true that they didn’t move up the F-15GE too? The plane with the better loadout, flightmodel and radar? Lmao.
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Yep. It’s still at 14.3
Even Maverick would struggle notching those MICAs bro
A senseless plane.
In practice most F-15 players still overspeed themselves and don’t notch in time. Or if they do, they fly too fast and angle gating work against them.
It’s still a better platform than the F/A-18 in the current meta. At the very least an F-15 might be able to shoot a few missiles with enough energy to hit their target, the F/A-18 is simply too slow, so the result is that you spend the entire game playing defense without being able to actually shoot back with a decent chance of a hit. On that matter, atleast the F-15C-GE can bring extra 640 CM that you can just load with chaff.
It’s just a very poor balancing decision to bring the SH up in battle rating.
Neither SH nor Golden Egg will score hits against people playing with screen turned on, and both will score hits on paid actors taking no evasive actions.
As far as BVR is concerned, while ideally you want both speed and altitude, altitude alone already does most of the lifting. Therefore SH with its still good climb rate still can put enough energy behind missiles that will be notched anyway, while even C5 launched from F-15I at ±30km launch distance with ample speed and altitude still can be outrun by anyone capable of going cold
As for defense, SH with its slow speed and good nose authority actually I find to be decently survivable - you enter notch quickly, you bleed enough speed for angle gating to be non issue, making missile bite into chaff and you whip nose back to send AMRAAM out. To the point my stats in it contests Rafale which was flown in its prime, before current AESA SPAMRAAM meta.
All of this only applies to the initial missile spam though, the whole point of the current BVR meta is that each shot will get you closer to the MAR, the F/A-18E will always be at serious disadvantage because while it’s enemies can keep spamming Fox 3s at Mach 1.6+ you will be stuck at far lower speeds and the fact is it’s airframe just doesn’t have the acceleration to keep playing defensive all the time.
Let’s be abundantly clear in the idea that a fighter being 90% defensive isn’t a good thing, yes you can get to the notch quicker than an F-15, you have very good nose authority but none of that changes the basic fact that enemies will always get to shoot their missiles at you first which matters a lot in this meta.
I don’t disagree, but I guess this does get to the point that defensive play forces you to get way too close up and personal with whoever you are trying to fight. You can make the argument that maybe both of these aircraft should stick at 14.3, but with how the vast players are currently playing the game the obvious choice is speed and acceleration rather than nose authority and clearly I feel like neither are good competitors to Rafales, Eurofighters and Gripens.
Sure mate, that’s fine, good players can make bad vehicles work all the time, but it doesn’t change the balancing issues at hand, metrics for what makes a vehicle good should be objectively based not player performance based.
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