BMPT needs APFSDS now that it is 11.7 and performs worse than Ariete/Clickbaits

[губкагомик]

@Beeschurger

OG pantsir was best SPAA for two years.

The IRIS-T outperformed the original Pantsir from the moment it was added, and it still does. It’s true that it isn’t on the level of the Pantsir-SM-SV, but we also have the SAMP/T, which is just as effective. I agree that the Pantsir-SM-SV is currently the strongest SPAA in the game, but saying that the Pantsir-S1 has remained the best since the release of the IRIS-T and SAMP/T just doesn’t make sense.

@Beeschurger

Kh-38MTs.

Yes, it’s still the fastest, but after the introduction of multi-vehicle SAM systems, it clearly isn’t as effective anymore. Of course, that’s assuming the SPAA player isn’t completely clueless and can actually press one button to shoot down an Kh-38.

@Beeschurger

Ka-50/52 with Vikhrs on release

F-14 at launch with the AIM-54, or the Iranian version with Fakours.

@Beeschurger

BVM on release.

It’s a good tank, but it’s still worse than the NATO MBTs, especially in the current meta.

Spoiler

But now, even at the Ariete level… Based on statistical data, of course

@Beeschurger

R-27ERs on release.

AIm-120 on release.

@Beeschurger

BMPT

It used to be OP, but now it’s just toxic; honestly, the only way you’d fail to penetrate it now is out of stupidity or a complete lack of brains.

@Beeschurger

All that while IRL performance would suggest specs way below what warthunder claims to be accurate.

Well, for instance, if you have proof attached, go to the bug report section and file it as a bug; if not, then it’s just a baseless claim.

@BabySoEz

So you just denied the fact that OP/undertiered premiums are the norms and we should be on Bob Ross mode?
And those who questioned it are whiner?
What a flawless logic.
Again, why would they make RU like that? Happy little accidents? You genuinely thought that simple?

I never said that overpowered premium vehicles are okay. It’s just run-of-the-mill corporate greed

@UNN_Daedalos

It’s almost as if :

• There’s more player at the Brs where BMPT can be found
• T58 sits in a tree that doesn’t get preferential treatment every tuesday (Pantsir, manpads, KH38, LMUR, absence of turret basket, Soyuz)

T58 is more of a one of OP vehicle you get from time to time in every tree (Turm III, Gripen at introduction, Rafale, T58). Notice how they are all scattered in Br and trees unlike russian additions ?

It is absurd to label this fleet of vehicles “heterogeneous,” given that Sweden has for years possessed arguably the best lineup of top-tier main battle tanks; moreover, these already formidable Swedish machines have recently been further enhanced by the introduction of the DM-53 round.

[Beeschurger]

@губкагомик

The IRIS-T outperformed the original Pantsir from the moment it was added, and it still does.

except it didnt reing for 2 years, it was made borderline obsolete with LDIRCM helis after single patch.

@губкагомик

but we also have the SAMP/T, which is just as effective

not in missile quantity, no backup guns.

@губкагомик

but saying that the Pantsir-S1 has remained the best since the release of the IRIS-T and SAMP/T just doesn’t make sense.

and luckily i didnt say that at all.

@губкагомик

Yes, it’s still the fastest, but after the introduction of multi-vehicle SAM systems, it clearly isn’t as effective anymore.

and between its release and release of multivehicle spaas, it was basically uncontested.

@губкагомик

Of course, that’s assuming the SPAA player isn’t completely clueless and can actually press one button to shoot down an Kh-38.

and that server tick rate doesnt screw the intercepting missile over by fuzing behind KH38.

@губкагомик

F-14 at launch with the AIM-54,

im assuming you wanted to respond to R-27ER with this instead of helis, and if so, up until now Phoenixes were 17G missiles. All they had was range.

R-27ER on the other hand basically forced the multipath meta back then.

if you wanted to respond to helis, i fail to see the comparison. Vikhrs to this day have no equivalent. sure meta moved, but these missiles killed heli pvp.

@губкагомик

or the Iranian version with Fakours.

which was undoubtedly busted and deservedly saw bump to 13.0 from its release BR.

@губкагомик

especially in the current meta.

but thats why i said “on release”. On urban maps, there was single NATO tank that could go toe to toe with BVM, STrv122A, and back then it had much worse sabot.

not to mention relikt bags which can stop point blank DM53 at perfect angle, which recently got buffed

@губкагомик

AIm-120 on release.

which to my knowledge had same specs as it has now, the reason why people think it was OP was that they couldnt notch properly. After that, the meta shifted heavily into high G ARHs, which can be best seen on Rafales being THE top dog for several months straight in terms of both KD and KPS, when compared to all other (then) top tier planes.

@губкагомик

the only way you’d fail to penetrate it now is out of stupidity or a complete lack of brains.

and i assume wifi belts are completly realistic and west just needs to catch up with wormhole technology?

@губкагомик

then it’s just a baseless claim.

how are the gas prices these days?

EDIT: buzz off with flags

[Morvran]

@Beeschurger

which to my knowledge had same specs as it has now, the reason why people think it was OP was that they couldnt notch properly. After that, the meta shifted heavily into high G ARHs, which can be best seen on Rafales being THE top dog for several months straight in terms of both KD and KPS, when compared to all other (then) top tier planes.

It was actually nerfed after release. In direct opposition to the reports that were accepted to buff it (still not fixed after 3 years)

But yes, pretty much the only reason it was good was because you could exploit the range advantage as people just tried to use MP all the time still use to it being 100m and they had no idea what notching was

[MiGoon_Fox-3]

@губкагомик

but saying that the Pantsir-S1 has remained the best since the release of the IRIS-T and SAMP/T just doesn’t make sense.

Pantsir S1 is a free SPAA, so the stats are deflated.
Not to mention it still is better on a practical sense, this is clearly seen in things like SQB pre-SM-SV

[UNN_Daedalos]

@губкагомик

SAMP/T, which is just as effective

SAMP/T as effective as SM-SV

nice one

Less ammo, for buildings sized trucks x3 (almost impossible to hide on maps this small, who would have thought)

Can’t target stationary helis (rotor blade doppler not modelled)

Subject to multipath

Less energy than SM-SV at 20km on a 100km class missile

No guns

That thing underperforms so hard in game, mostly because of problems related to all fox-3 missiles, but also because Gaijin decided it would be a good idea to give it the drag of a washing machine with parachute attached to it, not to mention a lack of lofting, even compared to shorter range (IRL) peers like CAMM-ER

Here : base pantsir (S1) vs Aster-30 at Pantsir’s max range
SM-SV not available in the missile thing from Gaijin… for some reason

Spoiler

Same terminal velocity of about 510 m/s

And here compared to CAMM-ER at 40km

Spoiler

2/3rd of CAMM terminal velocity, more flight time.

Aster-30 is dangerous under 20km, an area where most SPAAs are dangerous, and Pantsir SM-SV even more so.

The only AA with long range performance is Buk and somewhat type03 (although far less)

IRL Aster-30 would be too, being a bit halfway between a patriot and medium range SAMs like IRIS-T (Which Type 03 or Buk are)
With Gaijin modelling ? It’s a radar guided IRIS-T, but with an insanely long battery time
It will limp to 90km in game, but not anywhere as fast or as high as it should

Buk compared to SAMP/T has :

• can’t be killed in one shot
• higher explosive
• fast during most of its flight time
  Pays for it with :
• Slower scan (matters little because of instant refresh PESA on launchers)
• VLS that have to rotate

Yet somehow some russian mains still considered it underwhelming, so what conclusion are we suppose to draw here

[MiGoon_Fox-3]

@UNN_Daedalos

• can’t be killed in one shot
• higher explosive
• fast during most of its flight time
  Pays for it with :
• Slower scan (matters little because of instant refresh PESA on launchers)
• VLS that have to rotate

No proxy (can hit through trees)
Smoke shells
IRST so no warning
Better mobility
Hydropneumatic suspension
Significantly more missiles

You have to be batshit insane to consider any other AA remotely as powerful as the SM-SV.
The pantsir S1 at 12.0 was already one of the strongest SPAAs even after the addition of IRIS-T SLM and friends.
SM-SV is that but with almost everything improved

[Kievskiy_Minipig]

@MiGoon_Fox-3

IRST so no warning

And even with irst off, majority of planes cant recognize s1 and sm tracking band with rwr. Biggest use of irst is to get rid of tws switching to random targets and even allies.

[MiGoon_Fox-3]

My main use is for when a player tries the James strat as the radar feels iffy locking people who do it.

[Kievskiy_Minipig]

This too. Feels like youtubers told everyone* about this strat just to let spaa earn plenty of easy kills.

[MiGoon_Fox-3]

@Kievskiy_Minipig

Feels like youtubers told everyone* about this strat just to let spaa earn plenty of easy kills.

No, people are just dumb.
They overestimate how good it is.

James strat has a time and place.
It’s not a “one shoe fits all” strat

[SadRIPer]

First I thought dude who made this thread was a troll, then I realized he was serious about it

[MiGoon_Fox-3]

You can rarely assume it’s a troll when it comes to dumb takes.
This, is an example of that.

imo, they should add apfsds to BMPT.
BUT
make the guns jam because the belts don’t fit inside the feeding system

[ZVO_Vityaz_V]

You’re asking for exactly what I was calling for back when it arrived on the December 2025 dev server I wanted it at 11.3 or 11.7 with APFSDS to use alongside the T-90M and T-80BVM, but Gaijin put it at 10.3 instead (farming nukes with it was amazing).

[Norm_Von_Dolbit]

@Wurststahl

literally being outperformed by Arietes and Clickbaits.

K/D per spawn:
BMPT - 1.10
Ariete (11.7) - 1.09
M1A1 HC (it is only fair to compare TT vehciles) - 1.04
Clickbait (but lets see premium anyway :) ) - 1.16

Win rate:
BMPT - 53.6%
Ariete(11.7) - 50.6%
M1A1 HC - 48.3%
Clickbai - 50.1%

I may miss something but…where is statistically significant difference? If anything BMPT has noticibly higher winrate.
BMPT does NOT need an APFSDS belt.
Posts like this is one of the reasons devs don’t read forums often.

[KaFKA1337]

Am I crazy or is the BMPT suddenly started eating side shots for absolutely zero damage?

I 'm sure these exact same hits would have destroyed it before the patch. Can this be because of the side-ERA buff, but if so, it feels seriously broken right now.

Before anyone hits me with “skill issue” I know how to fight BMPTs xd.
T-90s and T-80s are popping as usual.

[Norm_Von_Dolbit]

Didn’t feel any difference, it always managed to sometimes eat side shots, and if angled it was always guaranteed to eat a shot, just aim below ERA whenever possible.

[Rafale和歼-10C百合]

krill issue

[KaFKA1337]

Tank Support Combat Vehicle(BMPT Terminator - Wikipedia) isn’t outperforming NATO MBTs from higher BRs :o

[Kievskiy_Minipig]

Idk, seems like its same. And even if snail pulls up “yes, a hit”. I pull up mitl agm62 on hornet which just obliterates them. And then obliterate their aa and remains of ego with harms.

[KaFKA1337]

git gud