BMPT/72 BR Topic

[H_ngma]

@flat_Lander1

weakspots as any t-series tank

So literally the smallest weakspots in the game and somehow that’s a negative, gotcha

[_Renzo]

@Demokrat4

So you’re suggesting you remove the only thing that distinguishes it from the M1A1HC?

• Gen 2 thermals?
• LWS?
• extra smoke grenades?

Those are all things on the SEPv2 that the HC doesn’t have and that are much more useful than the ERA.

@Billybadass97091

even 1 shot being eaten or doing nothing due to russian bias is more then enough time for them to kill you lmao, love how you ignored the other points i addressed but go on

Because, since I generally kill more than I get killed, the T-series having a second chance to kill me is usually a result of a bad play from me.

@Demokrat4

Ок, Can you upload a good battle against Soviet MBTs on SEPV2 here?

I’ll try after my work shift today, should hopefully be done early today.

@Demokrat4

Armor often has a significant impact on gameplay in the top tier. You often have a split second to hit a moving tank with its turret traversing, and if the tank has complex armor, you’re highly likely to make a mistake. If you have weak armor, you’ll simply be destroyed by shooting at its silhouette.

Armor at top tier is only good if it’s combined with either strong mobility, strong firepower or both (2A7/strv 122s). Armor alone doesn’t hold much value.

Since the T-90M is pretty mediocre-mid in both firepower and mobility, which is why it’s such a mid tank. Meanwhile the Abrams has incredible firepower and really good mobility.

[flat_Lander1]

“smallest” doubt

[AlvisWisla]

Mmm, yes, calling Americans “you people” will certainly get people to have fond views of you… /s

As stated, all ten tech trees have had OP vehicles, and some still do.
BMPT is another bad implementation due to ignorance of how effective the armor would be in matches.

This situation is adequately explained on the basis of ignorance.

Stuff happens, it happened with EBR, PT-76-57, M3A3 sort of, Puma, and is currently happening in air on a number of platforms.

@flat_Lander1

Why shouldn’t it be 10.3? It has BMP3 armament, no reverse gears, no gun depression, the only thing that is good about it is it’s armor but again same weakspots as any t-series tank and extremely weak to HE

Being 70 - 80% better armored in the front aspect than Namer 30 is a rather notable increase in protection.
And because the ammo isn’t modeled correctly according to my allegations, turret shots on BMPTs are pointless until that issue is fixed.

[H_ngma]

Lol then please do me a favor and name me one tank that has smaller weakspots

[flat_Lander1]

Use HE if you want to shoot turret, and i think it’s armor being better than Namers is not the problem with BMPT being at 10.3, the problem is that Namer is overtiered as many minor nation vehicles for whatever reason just like that japanese SPAA (slightly better strela) that sits at 11.7 with no radar

[flat_Lander1]

2a7/strv122
About the same size lfp weakspot and smaller breach area weakspot

[Whisloy]

Jumbo 4.7

[_Renzo]

this, I would probably also add the T95 in a downtier.

[AlvisWisla]

The amount of times I’ve fragged T95 via cupola using Tiger 2s has exceeded 10, probably over 20. I lost count.
10.3 doesn’t see APHE anymore, so I’d say the BMPT is stronger for the BR.

[_Renzo]

That is fair, I usually get volumetric-ed when I go for the cupolas. probably just my shitty luck though.

[flat_Lander1]

actually you do see APHE because as it’s often the case now you get all vs all matches at that BR so technically you can count 2s38 in the enemy team with APHE

[Whisloy]

Well if we add some condition AGS or M1128 hull down is really difficult to deal with a lot of vehicles could be difficult to deal for downtiers like Ho-Ri production, Panthers, Tiger 2, German KV with 75, Excelsior, Churchill 7 etc.

[_Renzo]

@Demokrat4

Ок, Can you upload a good battle against Soviet MBTs on SEPV2 here?

So I have some time to play like 1-2 more games before I need to leave to work. This was the first game in my SEPv1 and SEPv2 after I logged back on (and yes, matched against Russia like you asked). Not the best game I have played, I’ll give you that, but still not a bad game overall.

Spoiler

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/422981882688944797

EDIT: second game was a 7:0 K:D win, but the enemy team collapsed so quickly that most of those kills were around their spawn, so I’m not counting that one.

[luque13]

Harrier GR.1 was the last time and that was fixed pretty bloody quick. Unlike the MiG 23ML which went for years at a lower BR

[Demokrat4]

@_Renzo

Armor at top tier is only good if it’s combined with either strong mobility, strong firepower or both (2A7/strv 122s). Armor alone doesn’t hold much value.

Since the T-90M is pretty mediocre-mid in both firepower and mobility, which is why it’s such a mid tank. Meanwhile the Abrams has incredible firepower and really good mobility.

What are you talking about? The Abrams’s mobility is equal to or even worse than that of top-tier Soviet tanks and other MBTs. The T-90’s firepower is so powerful that it can destroy an Abrams practically anywhere. But to destroy a T-90M, the Abrams has to target vulnerable spots, which are very, very random.
How many times have I shot at the weak spot of a T-90 or T-80 and it simply didn’t do any damage? In fact, if you look closely, the T-90M and T-80BVM are the most armored MBTs in the game.

[Demokrat4]

@_Renzo

Since the T-90M is pretty mediocre-mid in both firepower and mobility, which is why it’s such a mid tank. Meanwhile the Abrams has incredible firepower and really good mobility.

What are the advantages of the in-game T-90M and T-80BVM?

1. Multilayer armor.

2. Spall liner throughout the tank.

3. Protected gun mantlet.

4. Mobility.

5. Broken armor.

[Demokrat4]

Great, I’ll see when I finish the job.

[_Renzo]

@Demokrat4

What are you talking about? The Abrams’s mobility is equal to or even worse than that of top-tier Soviet tanks and other MBTs.

Holy cope. The majority of the T-series mobility isn’t even close to the mobility of the Abrams, only the BVM comes close to when it comes to the Abrams in forward mobility.

T-90M is a joke mobility wise.

@Demokrat4

The T-90’s firepower is so powerful that it can destroy an Abrams practically anywhere. But to destroy a T-90M, the Abrams has to target vulnerable spots, which are very, very random.

T-series firepower is mediocre at best lol. Especially on the T-90M.

@Demokrat4

How many times have I shot at the weak spot of a T-90 or T-80 and it simply didn’t do any damage?

Here I highlighted a very important part:

YOU. It’s quite obvious at this point that your aim is at best mediocre.

[Caernarvon02]

even with a really good autocanon like the CTC40 you cant do anything