On top of that, we have from the April stats the confirmation that Russian BRs that do not see the BMPT are still way ahead compared to the other nations. Such as 10.0:
The only close ones are Israel, Italy and Sweden. Nations known to have pretty good stats overall due less players playing them.
(Yes, the 2S25M is IMO undertiered)
yeah and at that point you were making up excuses with
that statement which is trying to downplay the BMPTs role when its just evidently not correct due to the fact when the BMPT got moved. Russian 10.7 was at 44% winrate in November despite the T80UD and the Obj 292. We can happily dicuss the impact of other russian vehicles than the BMPT at top tier with the SM SV or 10.7 when the May stats are out but right now to have an honest discussion we need to be on the same page when it comes to the facts we know.
And also the only russian vehicle at 10.0
Not an excuse at all. I firmly believe those vehicles have as of now more impact than potentially (refer to the statement on how downtiered players won’t necessarily be Russian players) 4 BMPT players in a full downtier.
Yeah, an example of a problematic Russian vehicle that isn’t the BMPT.
Being the imperative words here that were missing in the initial comment. But okay at least weve now established the common base line from which we can analyze the May stats.
It seemed obvious enough to me as I’ve been trying to move the convo away from complaining about older issues (that don’t matter now) to discuss about pressing ones such as the belts. At least we’ve understood each other now.
if im being honest other than L27A1 being a not incredible round im having a great time against BMPT in the black night and even the challenger 2TES as its like the only tank at the br thats mostly inpennetrable to the 30mm and to the missiles somewhat aswell, my issue more stems from russian top tier as a whole when you put the BMPT together with an MI28NM an SU30-SM2 and the Pantsir SM-SV and obvioulsy the 2 decent mbt at top tier it becomes super fustrating and seemingly impossible to fight.
this is backed up by russias winrate and individual K/D currently at top tier ground
Overall:
Pantsir:
BMPT (both variants):
SU-30SM2:
the stupidly high K/D of the MI28NM:
T80BVM:
T90M:
russias almost 60% winrate at 11.7 currently is insane considering every other nations cant make it past the low 40s other than china which gets on russias team almost every game and im hoping something is done next update to actually balance things out a bit
28NM, 38MT slingers, SMSV are the most pressing matters IMO.
I’ve played the OES recently and it’s very nice at stopping the 30mm and even missiles of the BMPT.
Mind you that I grinded and started use BMPT after recent br changes so every single experience I had was against 11.7-13.0 as I use my BMPT in my both line-up.
Problem isn’t about facing more powerful rounds , its about damage model and inconsistent rng that gives more survivability than it should have.
I posted multiple results and screenshots in this thread while both using and fighting against BMPT, this thing simply flipped upside down the entire balancing singlehandly in this game.
As for the clips I will make sure to record entire game during my next BMPT’s gameplays so dont worry.
Its still Nuts that the Missiles cannot explode as they still lack a Hitbox (on the Vehicle)
yeah as fustrating as the terminator is the challengers are an amazing counter since the TES/OES has amazing armour against the BMPT and the black night can intercept all 4 of its missiles then cant really be penned by it in the front but theres still some annoying barrel snatchers in the terminator
but i 100% agree you put the 2 best cas vehicles in the game on the same nation as the best SPAA in the game it becomes impossible for people to do anything about it
i was playing the SU-34 for cas a week back and got a stupid high winrate in my sessions with it (reminder this is russias 2nd worst KH38MT slinger)
Yeah regarding those: I suppose there’s no way to actually get any communication from the devs why on earth they are modeled that way?
Eh I could try to ask. Can’t guarantee anything.
well the entire turret model is a clusterfuck pardon my language, you can shoot directly through the breech and not take out the breech somehow? and shoot the belts and not destroy the vehicle etc
edit: i have realised the only bad thing about playing russia atm (queue times)
The worst part is, this effect is affecting not only Russia, but every nation in the game as there are too few enemies for the MM to make proper games. Therefore, everyone suffers from it. Even with Italy/Japan, I was searching for 4 minutes and more because everyone and their mother recently plays just Russia anymore.
yeah because everyones trying to play russia you sit in queue for 5 minutes just to get a mixed battle
and what makes it worse is us mains bringing terrible vehicle to top tier
The fact there’s more people playing russia at Rank 8/9 than every other country combined at those ranks tells you everything you need to know
These figures seem pretty tame aswell, i’ve seen russia into the triple figures a few times
That would be super nice if you did, because bug reports did absolutely nothing so far and its just such an obvious double standard that really begs some explanation.
As of now, and I know that these are not “amazing” news, we must wait for the dev’s feedback on this report: Community Bug Reporting System
We have to wait.
i mean thats just EU i think there was just as many people on NA but i still remember on BMPT release there was like 400 people on just russia
one huge advantage the challys have aswell is no turret basket and they cant actually get one either
some dude in chat said this
and the reason is the challengers have a rotating “hull basket” rather than a turret basket
and as ive also seen with my challengers “accepted” reports dont usually go anywhere for a while but im gonna stop doing what i always do and make this thread a challenger roundup
