Wow, thank you for writing this up! Hopefully they don’t pull something stupid like this.
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The T-72B is 10.3 currently, not 12.0+.
And the weapons are at 9.0 in other tech trees and Soviets, not 10.3.
10.0 and 10.3 has better weapons including 30mm APFSDS and 1000mm class ATGMs, all at 10.7 are fire and forget.
@ItsOnyy
13.0 protection? It’s T-72B armor.
It’s good, but not best MBTs [which are at 12.7] good.
T-90M has 50% better armor for example.
BMPT has the best armor of the autocannon-ATGM vehicles; 70% more than Namer 30’s frontal protection, for example.
Average mobility.
The APDS from 9.3.
The ATGMS from 9.something.
And a recessed turret similar to the Object 775.
The armor is why I think bringing it up by 0.3 is reasonable, especially as a way to get results to see if it overperforms there.
It’s why I say it’s weird, because you take two systems with identical stats everywhere else, but add APFSDS and better ATGMs, and the difference in BR is typically 1.0 - 1.7.
BMPT doesn’t have weapon improvements, but it does have armor improvements, which if we do the 1.7 difference between M3 Bradley and M3A3 Bradley, we get like 11.0 on the high end.
1.7 difference between it and the BMP3, minus light tank bonuses.
Gaijin could’ve been more cautious with the BRs despite the fact I see where they were coming from with the BR they introduced this rather unique vehicle at.
“External belts” lmao
I think they’ve been told to outright lie about it to shut down efforts to make it less survivable, no way they are this foolish. Not like it would make it less survivable, the belts like are like 2 cm wide frontally, good luck trying to snipe the belts in an MBT.
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Oh i didnt know that the T72B was sporting Relict these days, my mistake then. /s
The weapons are 10.3 material tho. They are not sub par for the BR at all.
please point out the 10.3 vehicle with FnF missiles im quite sure youre gonna hard a hard time doing that.
Do you just write things hoping that your opposite is dumb?
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It’s a T-90M hull lol. It gets Relikt, it gets all the protection that a top tier T series tank gets at 10.3, criminal.
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I mean
We’ve already had the ammunition stored in autoloading carousel in T-64/80 is apparently Wet Stowage
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huh? no way. More like the blood of the crew members after a mistake lol.
The T-90M hull is still using the T-72B composite array.
The T-90M’s turret however is the best in the Soviet tech tree 2nd to none.
While BMPT’s turret is a significant 100mm weakspot; 550mm, and 650mm thick elsewhere.
T-90M’s is over 900mm, over 200mm, and an almost non-existent turret right weakspot.
@H_ngma
One of the T-72Bs has K5, and both BMPT and T-72B K5 protect against DM53 at medium ranges.
The array itself protects against most rounds at 10.0 - 11.0.
Also dude… the BMPT’s offensive gun is on the BMP2 at 8.7.
And the ATGM’s 800mm of pen is equated or improved across a number of vehicles, including BMP3.
Not a single 10.3 cannon-missile vehicle in the game has weapons equivalent to BMPT’s, they’re all better.
The post you quoted is missing the other BRs of 10.0 and 10.7 I apparently forgot to type in, it’s fixed now.
Out of the 4 autocannon ATGM carrying vehicles at 10.3, 2 are using missiles of top-attack with 200mm or 1200mm penetration.
And at 10.7, you get 5/5 with Spike missiles.
Of the 5 at 10.0, all have APFSDS, and similar performing missiles.
This is why I say the armor is the reason its BR should be higher.
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Huh? 8.7 bmp2 has only 500mm of pen without tandem. TT BMPT has 800m pen with tandem, also 4 rounds not just 1 like the bmp2.
I think you mean to compare it with the 10.3 BMP-2M, which also has 4 of those 1200mm pen missiles.
Everyone knows spikes are really underperforming, you need like 2-3 to kill 1 mbt. All because it doesnt have top attack feature and with side shots it just goes for the frontal track or barrell, or the top mg.
So you need 12.7 shells to pen it?
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Both BMPTs sport Relict what are you talking about? And if you think thats not a reason for a good br jump ask Gaijin why the T72B3A sits .6 higher than the B3
Yes but there are literally 10.3 vehicles that only have a cannon and no missiles.
Like i said a couple times already the weaponry is sufficient and fits 10.3 its not the reason it should go up but paring these weapons with top tier protection and an unmanned turret is very much a reason
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105/120 mm too difficult to pen a bmpt frontally, almost impossible in hot situations. Such a small weakspot even from a closer view.
Top tier DM53 has a little more ease at pennetrating it. But as you can see not much difference.
At least has some % to go through the ERA block, not like early 120mm or late 105mm rounds.
This is actually the first time I see a claim that diesel fuel tanks are modelled with less probability to be exploded. I thought they were the same in the game.
Wet storage of shells? Are russian tankers just huffing raw diesel fumes the entire time??
I mean technically 550mm pen shells already become pretty common around 11.7, with a whole bunch of them also appearing between 10.0 and 11.3.
Also as you can see even if you pen it, post pen damage sometimes not that great, compared when you shoot a mbt through the neck it most of the times kill everything in the turret.
10.0 - 11.0 has over 10? tanks with the pen.
M60 AMBT, Sabra Mk1, 120S, M1128 x2, ZTZ-96A x2, ZTZ-99 x2, M10 Booker, and an honorable mention to LOSAT.
@gfdsa_killer
Guns don’t fire missiles, sir.
And as for Spikes not fragging tanks… they very much are fragging tanks right now consistently with one missile from what I’ve witnessed. I’ve been seeing that killfeed in many matches recently.
Edit: This statement of me witnessing things is not my opinion nor my conclusion on SPIKE missiles. It’s purely here to share information so we can all have higher knowledge of what’s happening in our matches. -End edit.
Also front-aspect only shots are typically on large maps.
I haven’t been getting Sands of Sinai, Red Desert, Fields of Normandy, etc recently to see only front armor of BMPTs.
@H_ngma
Glad we agree BMPT uses Relikt.
B3A has APS causing its BR change.
AJAX has 3x the pen of with lower shatter angles.
Also don’t you all agree with me that BMPT should move up?
there are times where the fuel was more likely to explode than the ammo was
Weird APS doesnt seem to affect BR at all for the Challengers for example let alone justifies a .6 jump. neither does it for the T80UM2
And no missiles so whats your point
Nah you dont get to: “see guys we have actually totally the same opinion” after
saying that just because you got called out