Exactly, a rework is needed. They can even remove some of the junk modules at the turret that make it eat shells at times.
No my solution is to fix the blatantly unfair damage model and then have it at a BR where its weapons are fine.
Also yes if that’s not an option then I’m very much for unfairly pushing a vehicle up in a BR where it’s bad when it’s too good against the lineups of 9 other tech trees at a lower BR.
It needs to nuke the crew period. There’s no reason why only a russian vehicle should get an artificial bailout from its shitty design.
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After the BMPT br movements i think grinding is good to go. Top tier can handle it better
So add more vehicles vs remove one vehicle?
It’s not to counter one borked vehicle, it’s about giving others more things to spawn in order to bring that WR down. I suggest you reading our discussion before replying.
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We’ve talked about it’s 60% WRs and how that proves it dominates.
So you’d push other things up from that lineups as well, not just BMPTs, if you want WRs to drop to normal levels.
Not a good idea, but that’s part and parcel of WT forum so it’s fine.
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Nah, lets not add anything to our 11.0 - 11.7 lineups as it’s already a pretty stacked tier for every nation, am I right ?
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No, you’re not right. This is a BMPT issue, not a nation or other tank dilemma. Best fix to the game would be removing this insane unrealistic survival tank destroyer.
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No? If the BMPT is the main reason for russian Winrates in that bracket then only moving the BMPT is enough? I have no idea why you think that more would need to be moved, russian lineups at that BR were not an issue before the BMPT got added.
Funny coming from you.
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That’s the thing, I doubt it is.
No shit, in the same update they received four new vehicles with B3 going down to 11.3 a month later.
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How on earth would the B3 and the TOR which both have lower winrates than the bmpt be more responsible for the winrate increase than the BMPTs?
And even if that was true and the entire problem is lineup size and not quality than that still warrants a balance change like putting some parts of that lineup into brackets where the other nations have broader lineups.
Waiting until Gaijin puts in more effort for non russian tech trees is not a valid balancing suggestion.
‘You doubt it is’.
The facts tell us all we need to know. Russian Team WRs went up in the wake of the introduction of the BMPT. They have resolutely stayed high DESPITE BR changes for the offending vehicle and DESPITE having a greater pool of players using the vehicle. You would expect flavour of the month players to move on and for a good proportion of poor players bringing the averages down over time.
Did every other nation’s players suddenly get worse? No. As much as you like to crow how bad every other player is - the playerbase did not suddenly and universally lose the ability to shoot straight or forget their map knowledge overnight.
Now engage that little RuMain Brain again. If a vehicle is added and the WRs and K/Ds rocket in tandem with that introduction - is it not a reasonable solution to say that said vehicle is the root cause…
I can’t wait until the stats over the next months show the Pants BS-SV with similarly high K/D. Doubtless your argument would be to add more planes to the lineups of everyone (ignoring the problem vehicle entirely because it happens to be in your favourite tree).
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Calling BMPT to be a main reason for that WR increase without noticing a huge lineup shift doesn’t look that convincing to be honest.
No it doesn’t.
Vehicles should move up or down based on their individual performances.
Lineups should be fixed by adding more vehicles, not by moving them up or down in willy-nilly style.
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When the BMPT has the best stats of those vehicles then it’s very much convincing especially when those other 2 vehicles are not special on their own in the slightest.
Yeah no one is surprised that you don’t give a lick about balancing when russia could be negatively affected. But waiting for Gaijin to maybe add more vehicles to everyone else, which might not even be an actual solution if the problem is quality not quantity, is not a valid balancing suggestion.
Long aimless ramble
Let me translate for others who don’t speak RuMain.
‘I REALLY don’t want any Russian vehicles to be nerfed. Please do ANYTHING other than actually balance top tier.’
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You don’t need to have anything special in order to get good WRs when your main opponents are not even present and you constantly end up playing against lower BR enemies lol.
I’d be opposed to this ludicrous “balancing” for any nation and tier as I believe vehicles should be moving on their own merit. You throwing things around because of “muh lineups” isn’t solving anything.
Huge gaps around that tier are definitely a problem of quantity and that’s easily fixed by adding decent vehicles there for everyone in need.
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Or higher br ones which you have been conveniently ignoring despite me already telling you how the distribution of players in that br was in march.
Easy to say when that happens to no other nation lol
Problem yes but it’s complete conjecture that it’s the main problem and not the vehicles itself.
And it’s like I said waiting months for Gaijin to maybe add new vehicles to 9 tech trees is not a valid balancing suggestion if you’re on the receiving end of the unbalance.
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You really aren’t very good at this whole self-awareness schtick you know that?
You spend most of this thread arguing AGAINST BR increases for what is widely known to be one of the most problematic vehicles at Top Tier. Then you squeal that everyone else is wrong, or misunderstanding you, or playing the victim card.
Hello Mr Pot. Meet Mr Black Kettle…
If I ever knew someone doing a psychoanalysis coursework - I’d point them in your direction. You’d be quite an interesting case study!
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I’m not conveniently ignoring anything, you’re just wrong.
TURMS (and most others there) received around +10% WR from November to March and 80U only got around a 2% increase, all the while being much closer in BR to BMPTs.
How can you know if a vehicle is truly the problem if barely anything is there to compare it to.
Well, that’s currently the biggest hole in GRB’s tiers and it should be talked about. Not just that, voting with your wallet can help too.
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In case you missed it.
I never really opposed premium BMPT moving to 11.7 and TT one to 12.0
Things I oppose are balancing “attempts” based on anecdotes.
Guess there’s nothing in between for you.
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