Oh man I’m not gonna read that, way too long
- Mi cannons are incredibly accurate (like, really), more than they actually are IRL. Way more than AH or Tiger cannons.
- Spikes/MMPs are broken (gotta love hitting commander MG 2 times in a row, a cannon then 6 ERAs eating the ATGM) ;
- Bradley TOW-2B missiles are broken (ridiculous damage model) ;
- Tandem ATGMs sometimes get eaten by ERAs instead of getting through (the whole point of tandem ATGMs) ;
- Russian IFVs can launch their ATGMs on the move, while NATO IFVs cannot, for some reason. Also, NATO IFVs need to deploy the ATGM launchers, which takes a very long time ;
- NATO MBT armors being paper compared to reality and russian MBTs ingame ;
- NATO MBTs getting nerfed to the ground (turret basket and electronics everywhere now, except the Arietes I think. We’re still waiting for t-series basket, maybe in 8 years we don’t know) ;
- NATO MBTs not getting their best DART (Leos, Leclercs, …)
- T-series model are broken (ERAs/side armors in general and autoloaders eat DARTs ( Russian Bias in 2026? - #1603 by SnuggyNyx , unbelievable), ERAs eat ATGMs, the whole model eat bombs ( Stalinium armor? - #684 by TROOPER7 : what is THIS seriously ??!)
- LMURs top down approach are correctly modeled, as well as their damage model => AH-64E AGMs are completely BROKEN compared to these, you usually need 2-4 missiles to destroy MBTs/SPAAs/BMPTs
- BMPTs are broken, no need to develop here
- Pantsir-S1 best 12.0 SACLOS SPAA in the game (12 ready-to-fire missiles, multi targeting system). Let’s not even talk about 12.7 Pantsir, this will end top tier experience pure and simple ;
- Tiger helicopters still at 12.7, why ? 8/12 FnF missiles VS 16 for other helis, 7-8 km max range VS 16/25 km max range for other helis, no IRCM, climb slower than other helis, HAC and UHT don’t even have a cannon ;
- 75% of small maps, advantaging russian MBTs because they rush you in corners
- To shoot at russian MBTs, gotta go pixelhunting. Urban debris on the ground ? Good luck shooting at LFP. The MBT does zigzags ? Good luck shooting at LFP. The MBT has bushes all over UFP ? Good luck shooting at driver’s port/breach (especially when you have the blur motion on, and that those bushes will “melt” with the tank’s armor in a blurry weird way). You shoot at russian MBTs from far away ? Good luck, gotta go pixel hunting. NATO MBTs in comparaison ? You point, click and shoot. Simple, easy.
- Russian MBTs don’t need to have the best pen, because NATO MBT armors are paper. They have basically the same speed going forward. They now have basically the same reload speed as well (6.4sec reload = +/- the 6sec reload some NATO MBTs have). They of course have so much armor that even top NATO darts can’t frontaly pen.
- IFVs : russians have IFVs with much higher fire rate, laser accuracy, 2 cannons (1 main for HE/ATGMs, 1 autocannon), much faster than some wheeled NATO IFVs. NATO IFVs in comparaison ? Bushmaster, completely garbage.
- Yak-9k, completely broken.
- Been playing some 7.3 US recently. Noticed something. Russian heavy/medium tanks, and some of their tank destroyer, are almost unpenable, IF YOU PLAY A NATO HEAVY TANK AGAINST THEM. IS-3 ? Gotta go pixel hunting in that turret neck. IS-4M ? Same, but the spot is even tinier (gotta love bouncing on its side with a 224mm pen shell too). T-10M ? Don’t even think you can pen that. Object 268 ? Gotta go pixel hunting in that driver’s port. T-54/55 ? Gotta go pixel hunting in that tiny cupola, berely visible). Hell, even some of their T-34/44 will bounce if their turret is angled weirdly. NATO heavy/medium tanks in comparaison ? Multiple weakspots, side will not bounce against a shell (even against russian SPAAs lmao), if you turn your turret a little bit, you’re done.
- T-series MBTs have IRST + HE + Proxy HE + ATGM shells. Some NATO MBTs don’t even have any of that (EDIT : they just gave Leclercs and I think Arietes HE shells, that’s a start).
- Sweedish IFVs still don’t have IRST
So many more things could be said. NATO SPAAs don’t have cannons. Russia has literally 10 MBTS/IFVs they can use at top tier, worning out NATO forces because they don’t have as many => which leads to constant losses against Russia at top tier GRB. Russia has that 1 ship that doesn’t even exist. KH 38s don’t exist too as well.
As you pay a special attention to balance in this game, I’m guessing all of these make you sick, right ?
EDIT : it doesn’t seem you have read the following part of the post you quoted, so I’ll post it again :
Russian MBTs got massive reload speed buff, I did not see their BRs increased ? NATO MBTs got their basket modeled, nerfing-them-to-the-ground, I did not see their BRs go down neither ?
Why is it always NATO vehicles that have to go up in BR once they’re buffed ?
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sure some of those do make me sick (bmpt, cancer cas, premium su30 at 13.3)
others are farfetched nitpicks that are only problematic in your mind
t64b jumped from 9.7 to 10.3
t80ud from 10.3 to 10.7
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Way too long? its one paragraph mate.
It’s even broken up into smaller sections for you to understand easier.
So if I had written a big, long post about russian bias would you have read it?
Let the record show yet again this man chooses to only read what supports his narrative and thus is an biased against eastern european and as I quote “eastern” vehicles.
choosing I think now for the 4th time to completely ignore what was said to him.
Literally everyone has addressed this list and pcked them apart.
The only relevant ones, which I even mentioned above is the stuffwhich everyone agrees on.
the vast majority of that list is conspiracy nonsense.
the T80U and such looks as if it’ll likely move up next time around as well BTW, the T80 BVM got literally nothing buffed on it either, realistically the T80B, T80UD, T64A/B and 80U are the only ones affected in teh russian tree and 2 of them got very quick BR changes, the 80B may move up if folks keep doing well with it, and ofc the T80U i already mentioned.
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My posting of 3 screenshots completely disproves your nonsense about my being a russian main / player as well.
so what’s the matter ? you cannot actively sit and try spark a debate, when questioned instantly go “I’m not reading that, Way too long”
That’s completely pointess.
Also in my near 4 years as a teacher the reason people tend to say they aren’t going to read it , is simply because they cannot read it.
I’ve made points Which actively agree with the nerfing of russian equipment or their flat out removal and you still cannot be bothered to read it.
It’s not even long.
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pretty sure the ue1 already moved up to 12.0 (or was it just before the reload buff?)
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Just before the buff man, so likely what will happen is the T80U will hit 12.0 as well soon, the T80UM2 I’d say the same but lack of thermals may keep it at 11.7
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im not going to bother getting the 80U because i already hated playing the 80B
like i don’t want to play the tech tree solely for its cas lmao
the T80U is actually nice for it’s BR man, nice n balanced, armours okay, reloads decent, though most folks still reload in 5.8 or lower seconds bar the leopard 2s.
rounds again decent, nothing to write home about but certainly can do work if you use it right.
thermals are dogwater but Gen 1 at 11.7 is painful.
mobility is meh same as T80B, good forward but if you muck up positioning then it’s a waste of time.
others are farfetched nitpicks that are only problematic in your mind
- Mi cannons are incredibly accurate (like, really), more than they actually are IRL. Way more than AH or Tiger cannons.
- Spikes/MMPs are broken (gotta love hitting commander MG 2 times in a row, a cannon then 6 ERAs eating the ATGM) ;
- Bradley TOW-2B missiles are broken (ridiculous damage model) ;
- Tandem ATGMs sometimes get eaten by ERAs instead of getting through (the whole point of tandem ATGMs) ;
- Russian IFVs can launch their ATGMs on the move, while NATO IFVs cannot, for some reason. Also, NATO IFVs need to deploy the ATGM launchers, which takes a very long time ;
So those, for example, are just “farfetched nitpicks that are only problematic in my mind”, not actual facts, right ?
I must be coping, those are not actual balance issues I presume.
t64b jumped from 9.7 to 10.3
t80ud from 10.3 to 10.7
Did NATO MBTs went down in BRs as well, after the turret nerfs ? Absolutely not.
dont put words in my mouth you farthuffer
did they go up in br after getting numerous reload buffs one after another? again quit it with your selective scrutiny
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So if I had written a big, long post about russian bias would you have read it?
As it will never actually happen, you don’t even need to ask.
Dude can’t even say spikes are broken, I hardly see you write such a post.
Also in my near 4 years as a teacher the reason people tend to say they aren’t going to read it , is simply because they cannot read it.
No no I can read my man, and what I read was “Spikes are not broken and work perfectly fine”.
From that moment, there is really no point at all reading further.
They didn’t need to go down mate that’s why they still perform extremely well.
That they did not you in fact had the M1A1 ruin the entire of 10.3 for over a month when it sat at 11.3 with a 5 second reload and M829A1 one of the still highest penning rounds in game.
I should know, I was using it xD
They also haven’t moved the likes of the M1A2, HC etc up to their rightful spots at 12.3 but we’ll ignore that, because reasons.
The M1A1 is still one of the best 11.7s in game .
Fun fact i used to I used to on the WT reddit as well as on here when I joined many years ago until I had more experience with the game.
They aren’t broken, they don’t have their correct loft angle but they certainly ain’t useless missiles which are broken by any means.
Never said they worked fine, I said decent do not miss quote me you clod.
Which by all definitions of the word , decent they do function in that manner.
They do not work perfectly, they do not work as intended but as the functionality of the game, they work fine.
They do not guarantee any ground based light vehicle the capabilities to one tap literally every single vehicle in game.
hence why I am for removing the lofting angles the LMUR gets to bring it’s attack angle back into something more balanced.
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dont put words in my mouth you farthuffer
You just said everything I listed was cope, I quoted you.
did they go up in br after getting numerous reload buffs one after another? again quit it with your selective scrutiny
Why would they go up in BR, as they don’t even go down in BR when their basket, nerfind them to the ground, is added ?
Also, why would they go up in BR, while BMPT is still at 11.3 destroying every top tier brackets ? And LMURs still exist the way they are, vs JAGMs ? And Spikes/MMPs still exist the way they are (completely broken) ? And TOW-2B still exist the way they are (completely broken) ? And russian ERAs/side armor in general still exist the way they are (eat DARTs, ATGMs, as well as the autoloaders themselves) ?
Start to nerf russian stuff, then you can nerf AFTERWARDS the NATO counterparts. That’s the way it should be, because again, with all the stuff I stated, it is well deserved for NATO.
He did not say that exactly, he said something like “you’re coping, Spikes are the best, Spikes are perfectly fine, please do not buff their modeling to true and good performance ingame, otherwise Russia will suffer, and I DO NOT want that at all”.
I don’t remember exactly.
EDIT : don’t forget to say Spikes suck against russian MBTs only.
Against NATO, they’re relatively quite competitive. For “some” reason.
They didn’t need to go down mate that’s why they still perform extremely well.
Ah yes yes, it’s well known, now that their basket is modeled, they became the META. Everybody want to play NATO MBTs, hence the fact the current majority of MBTs played at top tier are NATO (plot twist : it is not the case, it is of course russian MBTs, because those are the real META and everybody know it).
Fun fact i used to I used to on the WT reddit as well as on here when I joined many years ago until I had more experience with the game.
Didn’t ask
They aren’t broken, they don’t have their correct loft angle but they certainly ain’t useless missiles which are broken by any means.
There I got the confession : “Spikes are useful”. No point reading further, as I said before.
Next post will be “BMPT is balanced, stop coping”.
but i didn’t
i didn’t call it all cope, you are just making shit up
because they got a huge buff? not saying they should have gone up, im saying that your point is dumb and makes no sense
not true, they suck the same against nato mbts
i personally only use them against helis and light vehicles since they pop them quite reliably (and you can launch them from relative safety)
whatever i don’t believe you until you directly quote him
you twist words and lie like its nothing and conveniently discard valid arguments and points made
not going to respond further unless you actually say something reasonable
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you twist words and lie like its nothing and conveniently discard valid arguments and points made
The same way you quote 1/10th of my precedent post, completely ignoring the following argument in favor of NATO MBTs that shouldnt go up in BR :
as they don’t even go down in BR when their basket, nerfind them to the ground, is added ?
Also, why would they go up in BR, while BMPT is still at 11.3 destroying every top tier brackets ? And LMURs still exist the way they are, vs JAGMs ? And Spikes/MMPs still exist the way they are (completely broken) ? And TOW-2B still exist the way they are (completely broken) ? And russian ERAs/side armor in general still exist the way they are (eat DARTs, ATGMs, as well as the autoloaders themselves) ?
Start to nerf russian stuff, then you can nerf AFTERWARDS the NATO counterparts. That’s the way it should be, because again, with all the stuff I stated, it is well deserved for NATO.
?
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whatever i don’t believe you until you directly quote him
There, he just said it :
They aren’t broken
Someone actually saying Spikes aren’t broken can’t be taken seriously.