BMPT/72 BR Topic

It really doesn’t. Especially not in the propaganda sense that you mentioned before. Just because the US government controls arms exports doesn’t mean that they own GD like the russian state owns rostec

Its basically the same. GD cant make contract on their own therefore their owners decide which contracts it takes. Chrysler Corporation got many govt funds during the crisys as it was collapsing just for the Chrysler Defence to be afloat. Its that simple. And this “look” of independence of arms producer is as much a joke.

Regulated weapons manufacturing in a capitalist democracy is not the same as a weapons manufacturer being owned by an Autocracy. Especially since GD is not required to do propaganda on the US governments behalf as you claimed above.

yeah, as US GOVT does it by itself.

True but GD isnt required to and neither are all the other non government owned weapons manufactureres. So in the end Panther was right and there is indeed a difference in credibility between claims from rostec vs GD, Rheinmetall etc.

It may have a difference, i do believe, however hardly any documents they release are NOT controlled by the govt, which also controls the propaganda. Its just needs to be thought through to understand.

Sure theyre not allowed to release classified info but they are not required to lie on behalf of their respective government which is what i was getting at. Its probably more on the contrary, lying about capabilities as a private entity can turn your billion dollar contract into a billion dollar lawsuit quite quickly.

you cant prove it as you cant ask them or look into the process of releasing info. They are as much a victim of the govt as NII STALI for example. Only difference is they arent required to give govt a special face, the director or main engineer or someone else, to say that to the TV camera.

If its the “public info” that is made up by govt, there are no lawsuits

Again. Private entity in a democracy is not comparable to government owned entity in Autocracy.

Not every info is made up by the government. Arms producers are allowed and able to release info on their own.

As much as i want to believe it, i dont, i never will believe that govt that created FMS to make sure the arms producers wont sell shit without their agreement will let said producers publicly release the info that wasnt carefully read and redacted before going public. It may be not “making up” but certainly will cut corners where it can.

Ofc it was but the difference is that the US government would never make GD overstate capabilities, because if, for example, the Australians found out that their new M1s are actually a lot worse than promised then that would be a huge issue for GD.

That actually makes lots of sense.

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🤣 there’s no way you’re being serious

So like with most other tanks in top tier…

hammer actually, i thought it was a maverick until i saw the killfeed

When did chobham get busted ? Also chobham is from the damn 70s it’s a 50 year old system nearly by now.

Think they are also having issues with said abrams as well so makes sense to not oversell ones product if it’ll bite back later.

And the RCV / VBC PT2 / Freccia / Dardo / VBCI:

Total firerate of the current BMPT isn’t 1100RPM since you can’t shoot both 30mms at the same time.

You can frontally kill Namer with 30mm APDS (at close range).

Interesting as I thought that was only a limitation for the BMPT-72. I don’t personally own the tech tree BMPT (nor got the Khrizantema yet. Completely bypassed that line) so when getting smacked by it, it looks like both barrels were firing. Surprised that isn’t mentioned in the WT wiki.

That does give it an advantage over the other autocannon vehicles as once one barrel is close to overheating, you just swap to the other gun. You get more effective fire rate than any of the other autocannons with that. Would be interesting if they could force the actual IRL loadout of one is AP and the other is HE seeing how they don’t run both guns at the same time.

I will also point out all of those are light tank chassis. I’m fine with strong autocannons if they aren’t also a top tier MBT chassis from the late 2010s v ammunition from the 80s. Notice how the BMP-2M isn’t anywhere near the same of an issue.

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