BMPT/72 BR Topic

BMPT currently has the same dispersion as Puma, which is nothing but absurd.

The MK30-2/ABM is rated for a maximum dispersion of 0.5mils (NATO), which is approx. 0.028° - meanwhile even BMP-2M which has much better recoil-absorbtion than BMPT (due to the gun being mounted in the turret itself instead of in a very unstable superstructure like on BMPT) should already be above or identical to (considering that during firing tests all rounds hit the 3x3m target area and none missed it entirely, which is difficult to tell) 0.08° of dispersion.

BMPT, BMP-2M and Puma currently feature the same ingame-dispersion of 0.08° (maxdeltaangle), which also isnt because “muh all 30mm same dispersion” since 2A72 has 0.1° of max dispersion (maxdeltaangle), which in of itself is absurd since atleast in case of BMP-3 and BMD-4, the barrel is supported by the 100mm gun launchers barrel.

If I find the time for it, I’ll gladly highlight individual rounds on BMPT firing demonstrations at 550rpm, to illustrate how poor the dispersion of it actually is in comparison.

Just for the record, Puma’s IRL dispersion of 0.5mils (NATO) corresponds to ~49cm at 1000m.

https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/LUUj4ZGomw8j

And yes, the 30mm slopmaster is also underperforming accuracy-wise (its rated at <0.4mils (NATO) for the sub-calibre rounds.)
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/yQGhU92kDay8

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Well no sh*t it is as you lack main armanment. Let me rephrase then, if you want to deal with absolutes: 8.7-level cannon with 9.7 level ATGM with 10.3 MBT mobility level is unbalanced at 11.3 then? Gosh you play so bad.

fuel tank explosion. Ammunition explosion. Uknow, when ingame T-80 throws its turret after being shot with 75mm APFSDS :/

OHHH that’s the way you calculate it. no no no you miscalculated the values. You see, the cannon only has pen of 82mm, which is equivalent to the pen of SU-5-1 at 1.0. And then the missile only has 800mm of pen, which is equivalent to Shturm at 8.7. And you insist T-90M is only balanced at 10.3 so I’ll take 10.3 as protection. Let’s do the maths here

(1.0+8.7+10.3)/3 = 6.7

Awesome! The BMPT is ONLY balanced at 6.7, what a wonderful conclusion! M26 VS BMPT, let’s GOOOO. But SURELY M26 is a very OP tank so it can defeat BMPT super easily!

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bmpt should’ve been an event vehicle lol
with the new update ofc the mig-25 was an event but one of the strongest toptier competetors in the game? everyone and their mothers must have it

Yeah, you zoomers just cant keep the fair competition eh?
I never did say anything you imply, and your cancel culture is not a threat to me. So its only your problem you count adequate criticism as threat so go all out assault on making stupid takes with no practical value.

The terminator has a BMP-2 cannon with BMP-2P ammunition, which is severly underpowered at 10.3, not even mentioning 11.3. BMP-2M has a APFSDS with 130 pen to compete at 10.3, and also wields 9M133 Tandem ATGM with the best penetration ingame. Therefore the Terminator does not even have same armanment as 10.3 BMP, having a worse belts than ANY other autocannon at the rank and even under rank.
Same can be said about rockets. Thy arent worst, as they are pretty decent having Tandem shot and 800 pen. But arent greatest for a rank either.
Now then being based on 72B3 and 90M makes their hull unpennable…
…pretty much as any other USSR MBT. Thy as i believe it has a 12.7 level of protection, its olay.

So then it comes to conclusion that severly underpowered machine has a good protection, so it can use its underpowered ammunition better. And its pretty balanced.

F-15 IRIAF. Nothing more to say.

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BMP-T has artificial survival buffs.
The turret is almost not modelled, rounds hitting the turret do not create spall and damage modules or crew. Ammo belts do not detonate or damage the turret or kill the crew.

Compare that to other systems that use an unmaned turret design in game. Namer as an example shooting the turret will destroy the gun.
120mm darts wont destroy the breaches or ammo in the turret of a BMP-T.

The hull has additional ERA and the crew sit lower a driver port shot if it does go through, will be absorbed by the ERA in front of the turret.

BMP-T in game should act more like an SPAAG when you shoot the turret instead they are effectively immune when hull down.

Actually sir your ways of calculating BR is very suitable for this game. Let’s put BMPT at 6.7, 2S38 at 5.0, T-80BVM at 7.0, T-90M at 6.0. For other tanks not in the russian tree… emmm let’s just keep them where they are at now. Looks pretty balanced to me, what do you think? I think this BR change proposal perfectly fits your statement, and the community is going to love this game even more!

I noticed that soviets survivability got much more increased. I recently got to the 10.7 Strv 121 and my rounds just crit them. I shoot the weak spots of the soviet tanks and either the shell doesnt generate spall or shell goes straight through driver legs and does nothing or the shell explodes, but only kills driver and other crew members are just red. In my strv121 duels and 50 games+ I only survived twice. BMPT is when it starts getting slippery tho, this is the most artificially overpowered tank. In real life its so shit that Its not even used, but in game it’s the holy grail. Shooting bmtp is the most random thing, I only managed to oneshot it 3 times in Strv121. I like that when you destroy its atgm or its belt tank doesnt explode. The damage to this venicle should be fixed because its just absolutely unpleasant to play, and BMPT players know it, they rush and use no brain and then tell on forums that you have to shoot weak spots and that its skill issue. Well, I do shoot these spots and tank doesnt die so what? Also the fact that it still faces 10.7 is outrageous, its the same as putting T58 to Br 7.7. I know they won’t fix this because its Gajiin and they only care about money, but the game just becomes more unplayable and boring each update. Might be the last time I bought premium account tbh

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Rafale.
Ground fifty fifty, depending witch one is on air first.

T58 also exists…
Top tier a7/122+ over any T series.

Nobody takes BUK over IRIS T. Just nobody. And there is a reason why it is still best AA on top tier.

Please dont forget A1H, F14 IRIAF and m551(76)

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This is the issue you use another new broken under brd tank T-58 is dumb.

Event vehicles Russia has had a fair ammount of broken vehicles event/battlepass vehicle.

Rafale is the best but the Su-30 is not far behindl
And the SM2 with it’s Radar new power plants put it just behind.

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such unbalanced. Especially the prebium one.

or maybe you can’t aim?

I was just answering on that claim that BMPT is THE only best and High WR rate.
Claiming everything broken is on USSR tree is wild and dumb to be honest.

Depends how you want to look it.
January average on Kills / Death
Number 1 is Rafale.
Number 15 is… SU30SM2
Including all rank 8 planes on it.

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buk has to be one of the most unreliable top tier SAMs in game

overshadowed by rafale

thats a tank destroyer, best mbt is arguably leo 2a7 and its equivalents

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BUK fear mongering is insane on this forum.

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Oh no, there is a buk… It can refresh my position every 4secs, what should I do?

  1. Fly straight, or maybe turn little left or right and spam chaff.
  2. Fly low, and keep it out of RWR for a while, relocate and pop it from flank.
  3. Take option 1, go to forum and start ranting how op it is, and ignore HQ11 and IRIS existing.
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We look at trends and patterns and Russia have had broken the game multiple times with questionable
Additions Ka-50…BMP-T, Object 120
even the IS6 took over the game.

Now I am not saying other nations have not had broken over powered premiums.

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