I’m not gonna be convinced that an 8km AGM (against a nation who had the be SPAA, just played poorly) is more potent than a 14km one, even more so when you consider the 76:1 ratio of RU to FR playerbase lol. Also even if the Su-25 was a brick in maneuverability, compensated by its ridiculous tankiness, all you have to do is get the KH off, easily 4-6 kills whichever it could carry, the SU30 just allows for far superior survivability, to simply do repeat runs.
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No way that the Su-25SM3 reliably gets 14km out of a Kh38 lol, the thing is a subsonic brick. It will almost always launch low and slow.
Meanwhile the F-16C can do pretty much whatever it wants, including giving it’s mav much more than 8km range.
Several videos showcase the M3 getting 15km MT kills, it being subsonic seems like it plays such little part when speaking about the 38Ts, MLs sure since they require constant hard lock. Hell, people were even using them in realistic air to get 16km kills lol. With the best SPAA to counter it being in, whaddya know, the RU tech tree. How many SPAA could reliably handle targets 14km away?
Who is “we” ?
Pantsir case is funny cause by the time of it introduction US CAS were still dominating and still it is the best SPAA simply because it is useable. Not because it is actually broken also it being one of the many reason why sheeper wake up from their slop fest and realize that CAS are broken and top tier need more SPAA.
Yeah but like , Japan kinda need it. They have zero good CAS , even the grippen didn’t help much. Also the F-2A ADTW selling so adding good jet make it sell faster.
Just wait then lol or cry about it or something. Maybe US/NATO will get their share when gaijin add another premium. For now Redfor and Japan bringing in the money. They don’t care about the balance , you think people crying about KH38 or Pantsir or other bs actually work ? Unless it impact the MM like the BMPT on release they aint doing nothing LMAO.
Yeah but with the current new SPAA in game that shit aint flying bud.
Should have mentioned Air for the full combo. SU30SM2 is pretty peak or maybe , a little too good for some people cause there are people calling Russian biased on that thing as well. Surely the Su30 premium pack doesn’t have anything to do with that. Surely
Before the multisam platforms it was getting those shots.
Nowadays however it’s entirely different story, hell I didn’t even bother to touch Su25 ever since Su34 came out.
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The “we” is universal to any and everyone regardless if anyone actually forgot, Iirc Pantsir had the best engagement range and because IR many pilots were simply unaware until it was too late, gravely crippling any other nations CAS response unless they were top gunning 20m from the ground and super skilled with bomb drops vs flying to 7k ft and flinging KH 14km away.
As a JP main, yes we did need a new CAS because what we had was objectively buns, but top tier is also now worse off because now there’s 2 nations flinging KH at any given moment, and by the gods, if RU and JP are same team it’s 80% of the time fish in a barrel because most new SPAA outside of the Nasam, have wonky radars they don’t function fantastically to the point you get better locking capabilities in normal view vs the actual radar system. (my constant Type 03 Sam Chu experience)
You’ll have to excuse me, I forget we constantly forsake balance for everyone every now and then, some more than others. And hopefully you mean the addition of a premium will introduce new NATO ordinance? Seems like a bad play to lock fresh NATO ordinance to a premium only vehicle when someone else doesn’t receive that treatment.
Not flying with the SU25 sure, but the SU30 still yeets half the team off the board before maybe getting shot down when someone revenge spawns an SPAA, if they aren’t slapped by KH from another SU30 in the process or a LMUR, because CAS is super cheap and from what I can tell RU rushes to CAS the fastest because KH is almost effortless. While everyone else would generally opt for Heli because top tier SPAA struggle to deal with their IRCCM or because they’re hovering 100m from a hilltop sideways and invisible.
We were mostly talking about back in the day, when it was just ADATS, VT-1 launchers, Pantsirs etc.
I simply don’t remember the Su-25SM3 ever being a problem in my experiences back then, but then again my memory is a bit iffy sometimes so that might also be it.
When I first unlocked it I didn’t thought it was going to be that problematic until I realized I can just slingshots KH38MT’s from 14-16km’s at decent altitude and speed.
Remember at those times KH38 flight model was also busted and could reach greater distance than currently can.
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Mav is a crap which does no damage in like 85% cases, even for light-armored vehicles.
Ok, is that an argument ?
Basically “yes, the game is russian biased, take it or leave it”
At least you’re honest, thanks
Still don’t get the “we” here. 90% of the people on here always balance the vehicle/nation around how they feel or outright personal bias.
In general yes. They want to give people reason to grind a nation , minor or major alike and the best way to do so is implement something that worth grinding and flock out 60~90 bux for pixe tank/plane. BMPT is a great example of this. Remember they still took their time before raising the thing BR to get some more money in , even tho I would raise it more so I can play 10.3 in peace.
And think about it , why did it take them years before we get new SPAA for everyone ? Simply because SPAA are boring and not that rewarding compare to a MBT or LT and the effect of not implementing more SPAA was not that impactful beside 2-3 thread complaining about CAS why would they care ?
Just marketing strategy and stuff. Take Japan for example. Look at ground , they got three top tier MBT and some how we got Type 10/TKX sitting at the same br as the 2A7/STRV/T90M. Don’t you think they , you know , may need some more vehicle or Type10/TKX getting some correction ?
Japan went through 3 major update and it got a good amount of Air addition and Naval , I wonder why. And all of the air additions are good to actually meta. Naval doesn’t count but Yamato class and stuff along with Nagato premium. Don’t you see pattern here ?
And nation with EF/Typorn instantly get a new premium following that , how strange. F18 copy and paste left and right. Italy got a Mig29 sniper.
My point is unless it affect their income they would not do anything. Russian biased or Nato biased or whatever. But there is a certain pattern to the thing they add and I don’t like it. All sign point to dollar sign and we are the losing one.
The only case where they actually care enough to work more than 5mins a day is the BMPT, for obvious reason.
It’s a simple phrase to remind anyone reading, generally the collective we, to never forget about a specific event when bringing up debates about top CAS, imbalance, and or unfairness because KH was unrivaled in least effort most reward.
Except to my understanding JP literally ends at the 10/TKX and for IFVS still have the Type-89 in service, they just don’t exactly have an explosive armoured division like that of say RU, US, GER, Most of the newest additions are for their Naval because there were a few BB missing and once that’s at a close I guess submarines (lol), even though RNB is basically a barren wasteland full of bots at any given hour. Beyond those additions all their premiums have been tech tree copy pasta essentially if not exactly 1:1.
Boring as it may be, you play down peoples capacity for revenge kills after being bombed lol. It’s almost assured after being AGM’d, Bombed/Revenged bombed, someone is spawning SPAA to attempt dealing with whatever aircraft. I also haven’t checked but I imagine there are scores of CAS complaints, idk how many times I see “Ground only mode” posts whether on here, reddit, or in-game. CAS has literally made a mess of top tier specifically FNF AGMs, anyone managing to maintain laser lock for bombs deserve whatever kill they get in the face of the new SPAA.
I wish the desire for profits wasn’t so blatantly obvious, F2P games obviously need to make money but man alive, most of the systems in place are meant to frustrate you into shilling out more in order to progress faster to a position of “relative” equality.