BMPT/72 BR Topic

Yes, 800mm HEAT warhead is worse than 532mm APFSDS.

Even though LOS of HEAT is 800mm, which is better than 3BM46’s ~600mm, it doesn’t take into account ERA spaced armour, and composite armour that reduces CE effectiveness.

However, you can shoot 4x of these HEAT warheads at the enemy at any single moment, whereas T-80Us can only shoot one of their 3BM46 every 6s.

Of course, it’s better to have 3BM46 shot off initially than a couple HEAT ATGMs, but if you miss / don’t do enough damage / don’t penetrate with 3BM46, you are screwed for 6s seconds unless you reverse / get into cover before they retaliate.

However, 4x HEAT ATGMs is better in that regard.

It really depends on how close you are.
~200m+ and the offset isn’t that problematic. Besides, you can usually track and barrel them and then kill them with OP anyways:


And if you are closer than 200m then why aren’t you taking out their barrel and tracks with APDS… and then going to their side?

30mm APDS can also dismantle the barrel and tracks of any tank relatively quickly, allowing you to kill MBTs frontally with said APDS relatively easily (against targets like the Abrams, Leclerc, Type 10, Type 90, and TKX), or with ATGMs of course.

Side-shots are much more consistent with BMPT because you can spray until they die. You can kill multiple targets in one go unlike with 6s reload 3BM46.

You can also kill almost any vehicle in one-shot due to overpressure regardless of how much they expose their tank, unlike with 3BM46:

Spoiler

Abrams:

Leo 2A5 / 2A6 / 2PL / 2A7V(A lot more difficult than Abrams but still possible. Would recommend going for breech):


If you see 2A4 / 2A6 / 2PL hull, easy overpressure or crew wipe out with HEAT jet:

Chally 2 is a bit easier:

TKX / Type 10 really easy, as well as Type 90:

ZTZ99s are easy too:

Ariete is a bit harder to overpressure (only the gunner optics) but you can just pen it anywhere anyways…

Leclerc is a bit less consistent but still overpressurable even when not exposing its hull / turret:


Can penetrate it relatively everywhere on the turret anyways… including the breech area which allows for ammo detonation.

Merkava Mk.4s used to be invincible to overpressure spam but LMUR addition nerfed their roof armour:


Much tougher cookie to crack than the rest of them but still prone to BMPT shenanigans.

2A7 HU and the Strvs are basically impossible to overpressure though… the only vehicles that are immune to ATGM one-shot spam when being hull / turret -down.

BMPT, on the other hand, is immune to everything when hull-down (and turret-down of course), and can stay hull-down for a large portion of its vehicle. The superstructure is massive:
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T-80U:
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I think you are mistaking something because 308mm value tells us that 3bm46 will go 308mm deep into test plate at point blank range at 60 degrees. If this plate is perpendicular to 3bm46, dart will go 532mm deep at point blank range.
Here is 3bm46 statcard proving my words.

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@Kievskiy_Minipig
Statcards tell us how thick the plate is when flat.
308mm of plate thickness at 60 degrees is 616mm.

Long rod APFSDS pens more against angled armor than flat armor.

The statcard disproves your claims.

It only tells so about vehicles armor. Flat thickness and effective thickness at impact angle. You both were discussing 3bm46. Statcard of 3bm46 doesnt tell how thick the plate is when flat. It only tells pen values, how deep will shot go in different circumstances. 308mm at 60 deg, 532mm at 0 deg.

No it doesnt, because angled plate will have more effective thickness therefore requiring more penetration. While t80u can pen 531mm thick plate with 3bm46 at point blank range, it will be unable to penetrate same plate at 30 or 60 deg. Only 449 or 308 mm of it.

It doesnt.

Also why 3bm46 is able to penetrate 525mm of armor (which is close to statcard value) but couldnt do same to 616mm effective thickness?



According to your calculations, 3bm46 has 616mm of pen so 3bm46 should have penned maus ufp in that situation or had “pen chance is low” text, not “penetration is impossible”.

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@Kievskiy_Minipig
616mm of pen is at 60 degrees.
That’s 72 degrees:
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If your incorrect reading of Statcard was correct then 2000 meter DM13 shouldn’t pen Maus:


And the result:

2 hours ago, not on april fools ok

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Penetration is just read as “Pens a plate with a maximum thickness of 308mm when said plate is angled at 60° at 10 meters”.

There is no interpretation for that stat.

As for your other imbecilic statements regarding the “superior” MBTs, why are the stats of said MBTs way worse than the BMPT?

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All these tanks struggle to come remotely close to the worse BMPTs stats, but you are yapping about how the BMPT is worse than these tanks?

EDIT: Before you yap that the T72s are so much better; they are not.
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Tell me pen value formula for 200mm plate at 72 degrees then, Im curious.

I literally went by your logic for that example. Wrong logic leads to wrong results.

Your screenshots keep proving me right.

Your screenshot shows 208mm pen at 60 deg at 2000m. So sabot goes 208mm deep into 200mm maus plate at 60 degree at 2000m and goes through because 208mm > 200mm.

Your screenshot shows 359mm pen at 2000m at 0 deg. Sabot goes 359mm deep into 200mm at 60 deg which can be converted into equivalent protection for that shell - 344mm at 0 deg. And it goes through because 359mm > 344mm.

You can literally change values in quoted statements to leo2k values and my point will remain same and will be correct.

Hey folks, I’m still here to say BMPT needs to be removed been playing to boost the metrics hopefully everyone here can do that same.

You boosted it for 4 months now? RIP to the non-BMPT players

Another high quality game vs 11.7 Soviets whilst we have US players for our 11.7’s…

Oddbawz made a video on the bmpt

He goes on a rant about how broken it is at 27:55

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I posted it on the above

The game lasted less than 7 minutes. This is a joke.

The BMPT needs to go to 12.7, and we need more vehicles to fill out these BR’s. Sweden, Germany, China and France have no 11.3 or 11.7 tanks, meaning the BMPT is top tier (not that it matters) almost all the time. Ridiculous.

Already posted.

200 / cos 72 = 647.2mm of thickness.


Me: Penetration on Statcards is the plate thickness, and that plate thickness at different angles.

Exactly what I’ve been saying.

Also superior players playing inferior vehicles is well known.

OP Jagdpanzer IV vs balanced Chi To:
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OP P-51H5NA vs balanced/over-BR’d Spitfire Mk24:
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This is not a defense of anything, this is pointing out how stats can easily be misread and misused.
If you compare a random person to Defyn, you can make anything seem OP in Defyn’s service history. Which is why you don’t compare different peoples’ stats in different vehicles to each other.

Cross analysis > false equivalence fallacies.

Which is far more than 525 mm of thickness stated by protection analysis which also translates angled plate thickness to effective one. Your formula is either wrong or does not include some important parameters which devs use.

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Shit is still broken…probably won’t be fixed, y’all are arguing among yourselves with the hope someone will answer our prayers in reality this is a containment thread. they know it’s broken, they ain’t gonna fix it

My man, these are not the stats of a singular person, these are

AVERAGE

statistics across millions of games.

So no, not only “superior” players play that undertiered POS, half the level 20 premium andis have it.

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