BMPT/72 BR Topic

So they are part the “composite armor” block of the tank, and i believe included to the calculations of the armor of M1s.

Yes it is, but the spall reducing properties aren’t reflected in the game.

Why, then i believe they should reflect those somehow

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Depends, personally i haven’t had that many BMPTs go trough the turret ring, mostly because they are usually shooting the hull if they are on the side or rear, from the front i usually just get killed by the ATGM but even that sometimes doesn’t kill me

Not sure what’s good about the Booker as a counter since they can easily be killed trough the turret
Spikes usually hit some god awful area that doesn’t do any real damage to the BMPTs

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Booker has just enough frontal armor to pretty reliably tank 30mm APDS at ~500m on the majority of the tank. Mantlet is ofc artificially made weak. No massive exposed turret ring like the abrams either which is helpful.

Well the Nera on the Merkava mk4s solved the ATGMS for me i usually die from the 30m blasting right through the turret. the Merkava mk3s are just dead on sight to a BMPT.

But yeah the booker can actually face tank the 30m and just pray your gun barrel isn’t shredded. nothing else the US has can really do it.

Since a lot of light tanks are somewhat reliable against the APDS to the UFP, i’m assuming you’re talking about the LFP specifically?
Yeah it’s pretty good in that regards, another alternative that’s quite protected in both UFP and LFP wold be the Centauro 120
Type 16 also has good LFP but it does sacrifice some armor on the UFP giving them certain weakspots there

Apparently it’s the majority of the M10 Booker’s frontal area that is just mostly immune to 30mm APDS frontally, barring the mantlet and areas with hatches/vents. Turret and hull are both fairly well protected against that ammo.

5s reload and M900 also probably help significantly against the BMPT hoardes.

Turret has armor holes on certain angles, got crippled multiple times by BMPT from my turret cheeks while I was playing booker, it seems protection analysis is not accurate on booker.

Tell me you know nothing without telling me you know nothing.
The Brenus ERA found on the AMX30 Brenus, an ERA kit from the late 80s, has been reported (using primary source) to be able to stop 100mm KE. In game it’s still 10mm like every western ERA.
And it’s comprised of very thin plates. It’s more than likely that plates found on the later Leclerc, being times bigger, should provide at least better KE protection, probably between 100 and 200mm et the very least

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Only 4 percent difference in winrate which doesnt matter too much when you pass 90 percent.

You can also camp while playing close to enemy tanks, camping doesnt mean you will sit at 3km and shooting enemy tanks.

Any concrete evidence or statistics that shows people who watches him improve their gameplaystyle?

Without evidence these are just empty claims.

Trying to twist my words I see, sadly that’s not how it works.

I claimed that his gameplay style based on how intelligent enemy team is which any semi decent player will also perform similiar in that case.

People who has those exceptional K/D ratios has very specific gameplay style which either is based on camping style or playing with their friends who has similiar performance.

I know this because I did the same thing when I was playing world of warships which I have exceptional results on my most ships there.

I’ve never said I stomped cavenub every single time I faced him, trying to twist my words even more will only decrease your trust in other people’s eyes.

The reason why you got so offended its because you embraced similiar gameplay style that cavenub does which proves my point further more. In fact you already admitted this on our previous encounter, just didn’t realized you took cavenub as role model.

Guess I hit the nerve :)

88.29 - 63.31 = 24.98

So literally anything is camping? Playing near objectives and defending them is camping? Or is it cave’s fault that they drive out in front of him, completely unaware. Are you supposed to just hold W into their spawn, and get shot on purpose? Or maybe try to position and play well.

Comment section, discord convos, etc.

Huh. Then why doesn’t everyone have these stats/games?

Its not hard to get these K/D’s while playing aggressively, which he literally shows in his gameplay through almost 1000 videos. He does occasionally squad though.

I never said that you said that. I simply said that I stomped Justin every time I played against him.

I doubt we play the same. Maybe similar positions, but I make more mistakes and get overzealous far more than I should.

Sure you did. Or maybe I’m calling you out on completely nonsensical claims.

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Who is flagging my stuff man :(
No guideline break in that I am 95% sure.

I was referring the overall results which you love to ignore it.

Performing well depends on many aspects on GRB including positioning, taking advantage over unexperienced players and timing.

Playing near objectives while defending cap requires holding a line which basically is camping, whether you like it or not.

You can’t accept this fact because it basically expose you and his gameplaystyle, nothing to be shamed of tho since GRB is based on this tactic if you want to perform exceptionally well.

So no concrete evidence but rather people’s word, unless you have actual stats I would take it as you have nothing on this.

Because 90 percent of this community press W and hope for the best while remaining 10 percent relies on their skills, map knowledge and other aspects. Those exceptional players are the best one’s when it comes to expose those tactics.

It really is unless your ass got covered by your teammates or you play against unexperienced players.

I know this already which doesnt surprise me in slightest.

Could be, could it be not.

I’ve said you embraced his playstyle, didn’t say you perform on same level he does :)

Or you just got butthurt because I exposed his gameplay style alongside with yours?

Just because you embraced a certain style doesn’t mean you should yap all the time buddy.

Why even use this? 25% difference in winrate is incredibly significant.

What is the alternative? Hold W into their spawn and die? This just makes 0 sense. Camping usually refers to holding an almost irrelevant angle for a significant period of time.

You know what, my bad for killing enemies. My bad for trying to win games. My bad for trying to defend a cap. My bad for winning engagements and living.

A significant amount of people’s word through the comments they leave on videos. Its a noticeable trend, with no way to concretely prove it of course.

It is literally shown by statistics that a 3.36 KS is better than 99.9296% of the game’s playerbase, so its not a “any semi-decent player can do this”. Of course you can pad your KS by 1dling and not playing for the win, but he clearly does.

It really isn’t. Pushing aggressively to good positions often nets you more kills.

I don’t think I play like him. Most maps we play quite differently, unless its a map with only 1 good position (decently common)

I like your use of “exposed gameplay style” as if it means anything. Exposed what exactly? What is there to be ashamed of by playing well? Describing this as camping is just blatantly wrong though.

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Because one is showing general performance of both players while other is the best that suits your comical counterpoint which why you’re so insistent to use it.

Seems like you don’t even know what camping is truely considering your perspective about camping is sitting further away from battlefield and trying to snipe people.

There is nothing wrong with that, problem is you’re trying portray your/his gameplay style different.

But this is not the first time you pulled something like that.

Then it doesnt mean anything, tho I still think people who watches him eventually become better due to replicating his tactics and getting more experience.

Pushing those positions requires timing (which you have no control over) luck and capable vehicles that can reach in time.

Its not hundred percent effective method all the time.

Judging videos you posted I can clearly see similiraties which shows he inspired you a lot, like I said that doesn’t mean its bad.

Exactly, there is nothing wrong it, its just that you can’t accept the fact that this gameplay style heavily requires camping on strategic positions.

Your brain automatically turns off everytime it see’s “camping” word which causes you to get offended but in reality there is nothing to be shamed or get angry.

At the top percentages, the increase in % rating becomes exponentially harder to increase, which is why you’re using it, because it downplays his performance and inflates yours.

That is not what I said. An irrelevant angle can be literally anywhere, for example, a camper a few days ago:

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Game was basically over. It was 10v3, and he was sitting in that spot for the past 10 minutes, just waiting for someone to cross over from B/C over to A.

We don’t play the same though.

Which is why I heavily dislike slow vehicles or ones that struggle to position well. You can almost guarantee a good position with a vehicle that greatly outpositions its opponents (NATO vs RU).

The thing is, I rarely watch him:

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It becomes even less as it goes on. Usually its on in the background as well if I’m doing something else, so my full attention isn’t even on the video.

You are stating this like its otherwise. I still don’t consider this camping, as you often have to manage and watch multiple angles and 1vX the people who contest them.

I am not angry or ashamed, though it might’ve came off that way.

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Not really.

I literally stated on my previous post that he’s an exceptional player which indicates that I already accept that his better than me considering I see myself as an average player on GRB.

Thats one aspect of camping, not the whole concept.

Of course you don’t otherwise you would have same results he has, doesn’t mean you didn’t get inspired and embraced his style to certain degree.

Could be, could be not but my point still stands

Just because you can’t accept it doesnt mean its not true.

You dont accept it because deep down camping words triggers you for some reason while in reality its the nature of this game.

Fair enough.