Never ask a war thunder player for a reliable sources", we all know how that ends
It shakes like it does for a couple of reasons. The mounting is far too flexible, and it’s mounted on a system that is also far too flexible which allows barrel whip to proceed without damping.
Add to that the muzzle breaks venting directly onto the gun next to it and you have a gun system which already has terrible dispersion and barrel whip problems - firing both guns at the same time would make it far far worse. There’s a reason you see the comically bad barrel whip even when firing a single gun.
The barrel whip is a defining feature of the vehicle, not modelling it is like modelling the sturmtiger with a long barrel. Actually modelling it would help with the vehicle quite a bit as they wouldn’t be able to delete your barrel in half a second.
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Idk man, seems pretty legal
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Didnt you claim this several times before only to be unable to prove it even once?
I am still waiting for that footage where both guns are firing simultainously.
Granted, the Freccia’s 100% justified.
We can talk about BMPT being OP without making silly claims.
What I’m concerned about is this idea that belted ammo doesn’t cause catastrophic explosions when the ammo isn’t in “storage”.
They literally did this for this exact scapegoat moment…
The freccia keeps it’s ammunition outside the crew compartment in armoured contsiners. keeping your 30mm continuous feed belts along side the crew is… insane quite frankly.
Even given that with the freccia - you’re still looong at a very high chance of a turret loss or complete vehicle loss if the auto cannon ammunition detonates.
You do realise that everyone inside that crew-compartment will be dead from toxic gasses within seconds to minutes of a round going off inside of the superstructure, right?
There is no evidence for such “fire prevention system” anywhere near the feeding mechanism, not even uralvagonzavod mentions or shows it any point in their publications.
Just for the record, even on the M1 Abrams (during ballistic tests in the 1980’s), toxic gasses were still seen as a threat for the crew even if the blast-doors and blowout-panels shielded them from the explosion and subsequent fires, as the afforementioned gasses entered the crew-compartment through gaps in the seal.
There is not even a seal/full separation of the belts to the crew-compartment on BMPT to begin with.
And yes, gasses from burning propellant (even if it doesnt detonate) will essentially kill you the second you breath it in.
(and all of this is already besides the point that such systems are not even modelled in this game to begin with)
What about the marker a1 and Marder 1a3? If their 20mm ammo belts are hit then it leads to its destruction, so why would a larger caliber version of the same element not destroy the tank???
Is the BMPT autoloader feed even covered? Someone posted an internal SS somewhere and it looked like a banana clip with the walls removed, just exposed rounds laying on top of one another.
its the fire extinguisher bro XD
Tank commander sat with it in his lap, also always at the ready to reset the feed of “upper belt” destruction.
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Other vehicles got it before BMPT entered development.
The conspiracy theory breaks apart.
It is not, and that fact is modeled in War Thunder.
Only this portion doesn’t result in ammo explosion:
Yes, this was alluded to here:
Besides the fact that’s a whataboutism…
This uses the older simplified damage model.
I’d suggest pushing for the ammo belt to be made detailed.
Perhaps finding information on the final portion heading into the gun as well.
I’m all for improving the detail of ammunition damage models for vehicles.
Does it? Freccia been in since what, 23? And they just magically decided days after fixing the “bugged” BMPT, that it deserves to also randomly have it.
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I only said it 2 or 3 times, and i never claimed of it.
Also i said “iirc” cuz it has been a long time since i searched information about the BMPT back when i was looking for an excuse to force Gaijin to nerf it.
It was a fig leaf to give people something to point at.
What a sane company would do is this :
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Fix the side era so it doesn’t defy physics. That stuff should not be stopping an apfsds round which hits it directly from a perfect angle.
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correct the mistake of the turret ammunition detonating not turning the crew into paste.
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make the guns reflect reality - fast firing but terribly inaccurate.
Make those changes, see what impact they have and then move it further up if the insanity continues.
It could stand to lose its ammo box as well.
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I heard that the development team is still physically located within Russia. What manifests in the game might not be mere favoritism, but could it be directives coming from the Kremlin? You know, things over there are… in a rather special period.
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When classic misdirection straight up fails.
“Oh I only said it was this way 2-3 times but that doesnt mean that I claimed it!!”
You quite literally just made up a reason for the barrels to shake …by again referring to something you made up (multiple times).
If you cant be sure about it, then maybe double check instead of spreading this nonesense over and over again? And maybe dont base your new assumptions/theories on the information you cannot refer to, nor prove?
Bro why are u raged? I never said it was true, just found some YT footage of a BMPT spreading bullets over a forest full of ukrainian soldiers and thought the reason was that.
If u don’t know what “iirc” means then just ask it, cuz u’re blaming me of something that is false.
Btw u’re a random, u can’t force me to do something if i don’t want to. Except of insulting me for “misinformating” then u could rather correct what i said while being gentle.