It’s funny how the Western community keeps complaining about the BMPT, while for some reason everyone forgets about the T-58, which still hasn’t received any real nerfs except for a BR increase. That change didn’t really affect anything, because the T-58 is still a very strong vehicle and performs well even at top tier
hurr durr hurr only Russian stuff is op
Do monthly stats pls btw
people do complain about the t58 all the time, the reason it hasn’t received nerfs is because gajin actually made the model right. The “nerfs” on the bmpt are just the tank being fixed to be more accurate to its counterpart its not really a true nerf but a fix on the model, but since its negative we just call it a “nerf”.
And move it to 12.3 and 12 respectively
doesn’t even need to go up in br.
With the ammo rack nerf it’ll easily stay at 11.7
Possibly even go down due to how easy it’ll be to kill then
Eh, I have no sympathy for the vehicle
I do not either, but I’d rather see it sit in a spot where it’s balanced, not ruined. Same for any vehicle (LDIRCM helis may be an exception)
The TT one with extra crew probably should be higher. But 10.3s should never ever see the BMPTs
fair enough yeah.
RN it’s almost balanced.
Gib ammo rack nerf and it’s golden
I treat it the same as I do LDIRCM helis, especially the crappy 30mm bushmasters that still fight the BMPTs with terrible pen and fire rate with gimped spikes
Also need M829A4 and DM73/83 for shells that can pen Relict (though that will be considered a marketing lie by Gaijin)
we don’t need those though
Where? Show me a single thread about it. I’ve never seen anything like that on the English forum, and even less on the Russian one. The only things I see are people talking about how strong the BMPT is, calling it “Russian bias”, etc. I swear, I haven’t seen a single thread on this forum where people complain that the T-58 is overpowered or even discuss how strong it is.
I’m not talking about changes to its armor. I mean other nerfs that, one way or another, make the vehicle less enjoyable to play.
I think the core difference though, is that the BMPT ruined +/- 1.0 BR. It sucks to fight it both in an uptier and in a downtier and singlehandedly rendered 9.3-11.3 unplayable when it was first added. Even now, with it finally at a more reasoanble BR, It sucks to fight in 10.7, 11.7s and 12.7s. These BRs also tend to be quite popular
T-58 though… Is only really a problem in an uptier, and I dont think gets spammed anywhere as much as the BMPT does/did (especially given there is both a free version and a premium version)
I dont play much at and around T-58, but what I do is usually 9.0/9.3 and I have yet to see an entire lobby of nothing but T-58s like I did all the time with the BMPT, nor did I have any difficulty in fighting the T-58. Quite frankly, the tanks I hate having to deal with in the Chieftains is the Object 279 or the BMP/BMDs. Object 775 can also go burn in a hole somewhere.
Not saying the T-58 is at the correct BR. Im not going to comment on it, but saying that the T-58 is just as OP or problematic as the BMPT was or even still is… is just not true. There is a GIANT chasm between how OP the BMPT is, especially how it was on release and anything else ever added to the game.
11.7 no APFSDS or 12.0 APFSDS, or give ataka’s their actual pen and put it at 12.0
So why you compare terminator statistics with click bait and ariete? Should not you compare it with other USSR premium tanks?
Maybe, just maybe, compare it to other 11.7 vehicles and not undertiered american MBTs at a higher br?
Maybe the problem is not in vehicles, but in USSR mains? USSR tanks in the lineup have significantly different winrate and K/S. The T80 player, and the BMPT player it is the same person.
I have to remind you that the same tank in different nations has drastically different perfomance.
A tank doesn’t have to be stupidly overpowered to exist? why is this always the first thing people go to like cmon, gajin goes for a 50% win rate for most vehicles (which its currently at), if it reaches this its in a good place and ofc there will be some nuance to this but as long as the win rate isnt 60% plus its good enough
I do agree with you. Especially there’s quite an unfair (negative) difference with the premium bmpt-72 and the regular tech tree one having 5 crews and a few better specs.
I also experienced the ATGMs pretty much being extremely inconsistent, slow, and most often giving hits/criticals instead of killing the enemy. On top of that you can still face 12.7 uptiers where you will have to face enemies you can’t even think of killing.
This tank is only good at killing other light tanks, or if you’re lucky enough someone from the side. If you’re facing someone frontally, or from a long distance, you have almost 0 chance of killing him.
Very few strategies are bringing you success with this tank.
