fun fact during ww2 britain had 15 BBs 3 BCs 66 HC/LC 184 DDs
a 6 BB/BC ,13 HC/LC ,21 DDS hunted bismarck 6% of the largest navy hunted one boat
If they were to go full paper for the UK then yeah something like that would be a real upgrade. But honest N3 would perhaps be the best ship in the game? Rodney is not exactly horrendously vulnerable, some slight issues with flooding. But N3 wouldn’t have the reload issue.
G3 16.5" would be the best hope for something laid down before they adapted the design to 16" superheavy, and then lightweight 16".
If they were going for a design then N3 is the most real but L3 is my absolute favourite.
![r/WarshipPorn - British battleship design L3, discarded in favour of the unconventional M3 (with the x turret being amidships to save citadel length) which would later become N3. N3 would itself be cancelled due to the Washington Naval Treaty, with the O3 design (the Nelson) being built instead. [3351 x 2100]](https://preview.redd.it/british-battleship-design-l3-discarded-in-favour-of-the-v0-r0sazvy91ajb1.png?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2bbadffb793730f7fa476c92393a484a8f59f907)
I suppose about as real as H-41.
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I think it very much depends on the ship doing the firing. If nothing else, at the moment, I now see Scharnhorsts as a free kill in the Rodney. Can usually take them out in my first salvo if I dont miss.
Yes and no.
Yes, Britain committed huge amounts of resources to physically find Bismark as that was 90% of the battle and whilst the first engagement didnt go according to plan for the RN. In theory Hood and PoW stood a pretty good chance against Bismark, just through a combination of bad luck and PoWs teething problems, the first battle was “won” by Bismark. If that engagement had gone differently. If the interception point had allowed the 2 ships to engage under more favourable conditions and if PoW hadnt been rushed into service before even her shake-down cruise (she had an inexpereinced crew and a lot of mechanical issues). Then that first fight might have gone differently
The second battle, the RN wasnt taking any risks and if you can completely outnumber the enemy, why the hell not leverage that advantage. Bismark attacking convoys or becoming another fleet-in-being like Tirpitz was simply not acceptable. (let alone getting revenge for Hood was a matter of national pride) She was being sunk, no matter the cost. So HMS Ark Royal (who, if i recall correctly. was faster than her escorts and risked leaving them behind so she could get into strike range) crippled her and then the battleships HMS King George V and HMS Rodney and the Heavy Cruisers HMS Dorsetshire and HMS Norfolk destroyed her.
Could KGV or Rodney taken her on one-on-one? Maybe, under the right conditons, but it was war, not an honourable dual. If the RN had had additional battleships, Battlecruisers or even additional cruisers available, they’d probably have joined the battle too (first one too)
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Gajin could have skipped Bismarck and directly went to battleship “H”. Similar rus got the Soyuz and Kron. Would have been more balanced, escpecially since Bismarck is so bad @ test server.
Agree. The commerce raiding is also reflected in game, just like losing bots, zones or smaller ships.
German ships like Scharnhost Graf-Spee and Admiral-Hipper is the most representative ships on commerce raiding in game. They have short reloading cannon, powerful torpedo, good armor and faster speed at the same time. if player don’t focus on them, they will quickly kill all weak ships and bots them losing score or the captured zone, they can even rush to the close range and drop the torpedo to kill heavy armored ship like Rodney.
So, technically Scharnhost is not such weak like they said. Most of the time, one match win or lose depends on whether sink enemy “rushing Scharnhost” at the beginning.
Now that her armor is complete in the dev server, I can confidently say;
At 8.3, Bismarck’s armor is non-existent, lmao
It’s terrible. All 406, 410 and 460mm shells slice through it like hot knives through butter, and the ammo racks are well above the waterline.
Ammo detonations are extremely easy; the armor of the turrets and barbettes is absolutely terrible too, leading to fire-induced ammoracks and easy combat kills, as you spend most of the time you manage to stay alive repairing the turrets.
I suppose this was to be expected! In real life, Bismarck probably would have never stood a chance against the larger and more advanced later Battleships such as the Iowas, Yamatos, or Soyuzs.
I think Bismarck could very well be 8.0, like Vanguard.
Its so over germbros… just remember the sharn, dont grind the bismark and turn on the history channel.
I don’t know what to suggest regarding Bismarck, hahahah.
I was going to suggest her to be 8.0, but she would stomp on 7.0s too badly.
Even with all the decompression, it appears it’s still not enough.
Bismarck; too bad to regularly face 8.7s, too good to face 7.0s at all.
It’s almost as if Gajins super MM BR-range of +1/-1 doesnt really work…who would’ve thought!
Isnt that the same scenario for the 2 new premiums where they will be clubbing in downtiers?
That goes for almost every other ship in the game, including the 8.7s…
Not to the same degree, though!
At certain ranges, ships like Soyuz, Iowa and Yamato have got some strong enough areas to withstand some fire; namely, turret faces and barbettes. At longer ranges, even their belts work better, being either thicker, more angled, or both!
By comparison, hitting Bismarck anywhere at all with the new Top shells will either kill her or deal massive damage.
This was inevitable- by mid-late WW2 standards, Bismarck simply had an armor design philosophy that had been long outdated. The effects are accurately reflected here, ingame.
Note- Bismarck’s armor still works wonderfully against anything that’s not 406s, 410s or 460s!
TLDR: Soyuz, Iowa and Yamato are just on a whole separate league, just as they were (or would have been) in real life. I just think we will be needing to flesh out Top Tier with more middle-ground additions, such as North Carolina and a 1945 Nagato, that would allow for further decompression, creating a new BR bracket where ships like Bismarck, Vanguard and Roma would sit more comfortabily. I just hope Gaijin does NOT artificially nerf the currently 8.7 ships “for balance”, that’s not the way.
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H39 16 inch battle ship
Improves nothing, just add’s a 16" gun with a 30 second reload.
bigger gun more pen more damage for same reload
Isnt Bismarks reload like 25 seconds?
So would be slower reload.
and size doesnt necessarily mean more pen. Vanguard has more pen than Rodney
shouldnt be 25 it should be 30 as 25 was only achieved when breaking the loading system
Gonna need all the help it can get, its by far the worst ship of the update, worse than the Premium Gneisenau and the 7.3 Scharnhorst as well, which is a terrible look for the new “top” ship for the TT
as it should be, it was bad IRL so idk why people thought it would be good in game