Bismarck's armour scheme might not be as OP as expected

I mean to be fair i’m not against giving it the 18mm that are lacking

I wouldn’t worry too much about Yamato, as it suffers from the Tiger P issue, if it doesn’t angle it dies, and if it does angle… it dies

Iowa is good, but i suspect it’s fuel tanks shenanigans at it for the most part

Soyuz…
Nah, i don’t want to talk about Soyuz X)
Let’s just say i very much agree with you on that one

H39, heh, i’m not a fan of paper ships. For now though, it does not seem as Bismarck is doing that bad. I mean take a look at Roma :/

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According to the formula it is more or less in the correct ballpark

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Then again, and as some stated earlier, a simple formula can not take all the variables that interfere with such a complex mechanic in reality, so it is possible it is overperforming, I’ll admit i did not dig the subject of 460mm and 406mm shells that much.

Maybe you could try to bug report it, but when Gaijin is set on an idea (in this case the formula), they usually don’t change their view (see the manpads article)

Two H39s were laid down so the ship class is in the same boat as the Soyuz and will likely come at some point
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Unlike the Soyuz however the H39 doesn’t have unreasonable paper stats and Germany would have been able to complete them if not for the war, and they legitimately would only be a marginal improvement over the Bismarck class being essentially just slightly bigger Bismarck’s, with only slightly thicker turret armour (keep in mind I’m saying slightly because the difference in armour thickness for most parts is only 20-30mms), slightly thicker barbettes, slightly thicker deck armour, slightly thicker turtleback armour, slightly less main belt armour and slightly larger main guns that would still pen sub 800mms at point blank according to Gaijins calculator (and only 805mm according to Navweaps).

Honestly, I’m not really sure if it’s enough of an improvement to be added at the moment as it would be better than the Bismarck, but I don’t think it’d be good enough to put with the current 8.7s.

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I dont think H39 would actually change anything. It would still probably be as vulnerable as Bismark

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I just edited my comment to more or less say that just as yours appeared, it’s definingly not enough of an improvement to warrant adding at the moment, but it will definitely come eventually.

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Damn those german and british naval engineers with their reasonable h39 and lion class designs!

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Its a shame the N3 never got laid down :P

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If only the other H-class designs had actually been laid down.

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L3 is my goat.

Like a British Yamato
r/WarshipPorn - British battleship design L3, discarded in favour of the unconventional M3 (with the x turret being amidships to save citadel length) which would later become N3. N3 would itself be cancelled due to the Washington Naval Treaty, with the O3 design (the Nelson) being built instead. [3351 x 2100]

Oooh pretty…

Gimme

Yeah seems reasonable tbh, I just don’t really like unfinished ships, but that’s purely personal tastes.

Well, they could have added Tirpitz to the techtree too, for a good AAA upgrade. It’ll be premium for a proper pay2win advantage.

Im of mixed opinions. it does open a decent chunk of new options and variants that create some interesting variations and fill some pretty major holes in some trees. But then you also get stuff like the Soyuz that would have been impossible to build IRL. (though I also kinda like that a little, because it means things that never got to see combat IRL, can actually have a “comabt debut” and kinda want that for a few aircraft and tanks as well, but needs to be reasonable additions)

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its a pretty good improvement as you can pen the belts of other 8.7 BBs and do damage for example you basically gotta be point blank to kill a iowa with Bismarck while iowa can kill you from a distance and theres nothing you can do other than angle

Yea H41 woulld have been nice and H42 would be even better.
For the H41 we atleast know that the plans were complet for building it.

Ive said it in another thread but the H class might become an interesting dilemma for Gaijin. The ships were laid down as H39s but the plans for H41 were completed the same year the ships were scrapped. So if the Soviets get their most optimistic, reality ignoring plans then maybe the germans can as well.

To be fair. Almost no one seems to spawn air in NRB high BR battles. It simply doesn’t happen. Except floatplanes… Also most ppl ofc leave after one loss. I also tend to do it, since a second spawn is pointless on most maps. You need that long to move in good kill positions, thats there’s simply not enough gametime to do this twice. The spawn is often a killbox if the game progresses. Some maps are rediculous in this regard.

Neither meet the conditions for suggestion currently. Perhaps in the future they will waive the new laid down rule but I’d be quite worried about what might come out of that

Though in the UKs case I think addition of the L3 might make me have a spontaneous combustion

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Low possibility cause unlike WOWS who stick to ww era vessels War Thunder could move onto cold war era vessels without the need to further add paper only vessels.

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Oh no what i meant was that it would have been good if they were laid down so we could have them