The one that makes it explode because fire spreads down its ammo elevators and you cant extinguish fast enough so it spreads to the magazines? I mean while its kind of strange that its relatively easy to take out a scharnhorst like this now.
Is that not what happened to every single US ship for 2 or 3 years now while the scharnhorst was nearly invincible? Hit at the waterline under the turret= autokill??? The snail apparently hates something new every 2 months man. but sometimes it also loves the german navy more than anything for 3 years.
To me this feels more like they simply havent figured out how to implement damage dealt to big ships when they dont want to put in a healthbar. Interesting that theyre trying to figure it out now after how many years of naval war thunder but whatever. Im not exactly surprised. I think they should try increasing the shrapnel of he shells and make it ignore armor. JUST KIDDING NEVER DO THAT AGAIN
Or implement armor degradation so continous hits to the hull of lets say an amagi by tiny destroyer shells at one point will turn 3 of 8 or whatever random number hull compartments black (however thats happening to the hull of an angled batlleship) and you “lose sinking protection” and start sinking from 100 mm he hits. That would also be awesome…oh wait.
At this point actually just introduce health bars.
But the real reason maybe is Gaijin change the fire mechanism, and German naval perfer put their mag on their shell room, so the fire usually first damage on mag’s HP, and Gaijin set mag explosion can sunk the whole ship. Multiple reasons together cause now German naval are very weak when facing ammo elevator’s fire.
Would be nice seeing it down at 7.3/7.7 where its armor might still have a chance on occaision. From the sounds of it, its pretty much equivalent to the current top BB’s in other nations. Without its armor, its poor citadel layout and underpowered guns makes it borderline worthless. Its dubious it should even be able to see the 8.7 ships being added this update. As it stands, its probably the worst ship being added this update by quite a large margin.
I cant see the H-39 being any higher than 7.7/8.0. Same bad armor as bismark, less maneuvrable hull, worse AA, but better guns. Its just a bismark sidegrade at best.
Atleast I wont have to waste my time grinding a DOA ship.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say 7.3, since she still got highly accurate guns with a 23 second reload (shortest among all Battleships) and the armor is still significantly better than Mutsu’s, which will be 7.7.
I think 8.0 would make sense. In hindsight, even 7.7 could be too much by making it face 6.7s.
Bro, I think you severely and extremely overestimate Scharnhorst’s capabilities at the present time.
Yes, it used to be OP some time ago and it was implemented way too early without any proper counterparts…
But now, with all the new armor degradation, hull integrity, fire damage mechanics and 380-406-410mm-armed counterparts, it no longer is.
I must remind you that Scharnhorst uses 280mm guns with <600 mm pen and extremely low amount of explosive filler.
It doesn’t deserve to be at a BR where it would come across 850mm pen shells with 7 times as much explosive filler. It doesn’t deserve to face Iowas and Yamatos that could slice through it like a hot knife through butter while it would be unable to damage them at all with its Cruiser-sized guns.
I feel like the people claiming that it’s still OP even after the next update and that it should be 8.0 are just resented from the times back when it was OP. Kinda like how people nowadays are still resented about the Abrams tank and calling it OP just because it was indeed OP back in 2018-2019 even though the situation is completely different nowadays.
The armour is more or less the same, the 406’s are an improvement but not as much as you think. The reload is the same as contemporary guns at 2rpm, the shells themselves are good though at around 800mm or penetration.
I would put it at 7.7 for the time being, and reduce it down to 7.3 if it was too underpowered, it seems the community agree’s with me as outside of Smins comments which are highlighted nice and blue, its the 4th most liked comment in the BR feedback thread.
Oh boy, the worst ship of the update is going to be even worse than she is already? She really does belong at 7.3/7.7 at best then. Truly no reason to grind her at all.
I wonder how robbed people are gonna feel when they realize the 80$ premium they bought to grind out the german tree is better than the “top” ship of the german tree.
I believe her RoF will make her potent enough against Hood to be balanced, she will also posses better secondaries and better guns. That’s my personal opinion we will have to see in practise.
Though I’d suggest Hood may be better in a straight fight due to her module layout. 7.7 may prove to be all thats necessary.
Also remember Stras is at 7.3. You might think Bismarck is bad but Stras is worse.
I’d start at 8.0 and then if needbe reduce the BR to 7.7, no lower than that though. Same approach as Scharn but with 7.7 as her starting point.
We could do with H-39, H-41 may also be acceptable so long as its historically implemented, would also open doors to Littorio UP.41 and Alsace (though Alsace is much trickier in that regard).
Yep just don’t grind it. Let Soyuz, Iowa and Yamato duke it out themselves. I’d recommend this to all 38cm BB, which are about to be thrown into the upcoming super BB meta. One shouldn’t support this way off balancing. The three super BBs shouldn’t have been part of this update. Would have been better to let the 38cm BBs some breathing space and bring the super ones one or two patches later.
