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Bismarck and Rich maybe right.
But campare with Iowa for example.
So either the penetration values for the 406–460 mm guns are inflated (except for Rodney’s 406 mm for some reason — although SS also show inflated values in the same pattern), or the 380 mm guns are massively underrated
I’ll give you that 38cm might be a bit underrated in game, while 406mm might be overrated, and this leads to a non negligible difference
For 0 m :
829 mm for Iowa and 742 for Bismark according to Navweaps (87mm difference)
857 mm for Iowa and 708 for Bismark according to Gaijin (149mm difference)
Bismarck’s armour is now finished on DEV server, although it needs to be corrected at some places, the overall impression of its protection can be examined by protection analysis:
Should be noted that the values given in navweaps about the armor penetration of the Mark 8 are specifically for the early one used in 1943 and 1944, while the Mark 8 Mods. 6-8 used since 1945 had enhanced armor penetration. This is why the value in WT doesn’t fit the one given by navweaps
Surprise, everyone. The patch that should bring exciting new top dogs for all nations which all have their strengths and weaknesses once again introduces a russian fantasy ship that will shoot massively overperforming fantasy shells that outclass everything putting ships that actually existed into the dust until it will (maybe) be fixed in a couple of months. Cant wait for this glorious piece of gameplay to come into the game to save naval. /s
I mean I’m not against also introducing something that is on par with the other ships for russia. Why leave them out if according to the rules the snail sets for the introduction of ships they can put something in the game that makes it possible for more nations to play at the new brs. Would be kind of boring facing the same 4 8.7 ships over and over again.
What i don’t get is why they constantly have to overexaggerate when putting russian stuff that never existed into the game. And then be surprised when theres a backlash? Maybe try a more sensible and realistic approach for once?
If this goes down how i expect it I only want yamato and bismarck to sail around in customs and to play naval ec. Unfortunately there will be countless matches in rb that need to be played until ppl have them spaded against this thing. After that theres no point in touching sub 10 km engagement range bs naval rb ever again facing overperforming fantasy bs. Will be so good for naval :-D
Thats my point, i would be fine with having Soyuz at a realistic powerlevel alongside Bismarck, Richelieu and Roma but making the fantasy ship straight up better than Iowa and Yamato is like making a fantasy missile the best A2G weapon in the game and Gaijin would never do that. /s
Yeah, in the end we will have to wait until the live server, but the signs are not pointing towards a balanced experience. But maybe no one’s expecting that from naval anyways. Would be kinda nice if they could actually balance stuff before releasing it for once and not wait till people are rightfully furious about it but well.
Whatever this realistic is supposed to be for a mostly blueprint ship that largely only existed on drawboards and never had to face real world limitations to its construction. Kinda easy to outperform the armor, guns and shells of ships that actually had to sail in bad weather and had to deal with fuel consumption, resource availability, reliability, construction problems if well…you never even had to float, shoot and do what all the other ships did and someone just had to imagine twice the armor and much better guns/shells and draw them.
If this is supposed to bring more people to naval and improve the gameplay in the higher naval ranks then idk…
Soyuz is still minimum at her projected plan. She still didn’t have her best maximum engine out put, best reload, better shell velocity that really fired during test, and misses 2/3 of its rudder on blueprint, and lacks 3 hydroplane.
And her strongest part on War thunder is never related to her armour quality.
Also, ‘realistic powerlevel’ of you insisting is clueless. So just making her Br higher than making fake nerf would be better, especially considering that it is not only USSR that needs so-called ‘fantasy ship’ to compete with Iowa.
Yeah my projected plan was to become an astronaut , which is about as realistic as the soviet plan for the soyuz. I meant realistic powerlevel as in the soviets of all nations getting the strongest WW2 Battleship is an absolute joke.
Fake nerf for a fake ship sounds fair to me
Iowa being on top is absolutely fine its just a joke that a soviet ship will be better
Max range difference is a lot less than you’d expect despite the caliber differences and somehow we got even more pen out of those 16" shells than the Japanese did with 18.1" shells. When you get into naval calibers sectional density starts to matter a hell of a lot more than it does with relatively small tank shells.
You mean that plan that would have never been able to be finished because they couldnt manufacture the armor, or the guns that were never put on the ship and basically everything else more than a rough framework of the ships hull? How can you nerf a never existing ship that would never have been finished?
If i print the craziest design imaginable in a cad program, someone decides to lay down the hull for 5% if it then makes it into the game and has 520 mm guns and not my fantasy 600mm it is nerfed? whut? Should be easily outperforming the yamato and the iowa that sailed around for almost 20 years. Easily visible on my fantasy design plans that would have definitely made it into a completed ship. even if i decide to plan and build the ship lets say in chad. who cares they got no ship engineers or docks or resources. look, my plans
They have alternative plan at time before war, and problem solved during wartime as they assure they can make armor at the time of alternative plan of Project 24
Caracciolo? You do note that your word is killing future Lion class and H Klasse, which would be the only worthy opponenet to Yamato.
At least USSR has ship engineers, docks, and helps from USA/GER/ITA/GB. Not you. Stop lunatic assumption. Just admit ‘I hate Soviet!’