Gajin could have skipped Bismarck and directly went to battleship “H”. Similar rus got the Soyuz and Kron. Would have been more balanced, escpecially since Bismarck is so bad @ test server.
Agree. The commerce raiding is also reflected in game, just like losing bots, zones or smaller ships.
German ships like Scharnhost Graf-Spee and Admiral-Hipper is the most representative ships on commerce raiding in game. They have short reloading cannon, powerful torpedo, good armor and faster speed at the same time. if player don’t focus on them, they will quickly kill all weak ships and bots them losing score or the captured zone, they can even rush to the close range and drop the torpedo to kill heavy armored ship like Rodney.
So, technically Scharnhost is not such weak like they said. Most of the time, one match win or lose depends on whether sink enemy “rushing Scharnhost” at the beginning.
Now that her armor is complete in the dev server, I can confidently say;
At 8.3, Bismarck’s armor is non-existent, lmao
It’s terrible. All 406, 410 and 460mm shells slice through it like hot knives through butter, and the ammo racks are well above the waterline.
Ammo detonations are extremely easy; the armor of the turrets and barbettes is absolutely terrible too, leading to fire-induced ammoracks and easy combat kills, as you spend most of the time you manage to stay alive repairing the turrets.
I suppose this was to be expected! In real life, Bismarck probably would have never stood a chance against the larger and more advanced later Battleships such as the Iowas, Yamatos, or Soyuzs.
I think Bismarck could very well be 8.0, like Vanguard.
Its so over germbros… just remember the sharn, dont grind the bismark and turn on the history channel.
I don’t know what to suggest regarding Bismarck, hahahah.
I was going to suggest her to be 8.0, but she would stomp on 7.0s too badly.
Even with all the decompression, it appears it’s still not enough.
Bismarck; too bad to regularly face 8.7s, too good to face 7.0s at all.
It’s almost as if Gajins super MM BR-range of +1/-1 doesnt really work…who would’ve thought!
Isnt that the same scenario for the 2 new premiums where they will be clubbing in downtiers?
That goes for almost every other ship in the game, including the 8.7s…
Not to the same degree, though!
At certain ranges, ships like Soyuz, Iowa and Yamato have got some strong enough areas to withstand some fire; namely, turret faces and barbettes. At longer ranges, even their belts work better, being either thicker, more angled, or both!
By comparison, hitting Bismarck anywhere at all with the new Top shells will either kill her or deal massive damage.
This was inevitable- by mid-late WW2 standards, Bismarck simply had an armor design philosophy that had been long outdated. The effects are accurately reflected here, ingame.
Note- Bismarck’s armor still works wonderfully against anything that’s not 406s, 410s or 460s!
TLDR: Soyuz, Iowa and Yamato are just on a whole separate league, just as they were (or would have been) in real life. I just think we will be needing to flesh out Top Tier with more middle-ground additions, such as North Carolina and a 1945 Nagato, that would allow for further decompression, creating a new BR bracket where ships like Bismarck, Vanguard and Roma would sit more comfortabily. I just hope Gaijin does NOT artificially nerf the currently 8.7 ships “for balance”, that’s not the way.
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H39 16 inch battle ship
Improves nothing, just add’s a 16" gun with a 30 second reload.
bigger gun more pen more damage for same reload
Isnt Bismarks reload like 25 seconds?
So would be slower reload.
and size doesnt necessarily mean more pen. Vanguard has more pen than Rodney
shouldnt be 25 it should be 30 as 25 was only achieved when breaking the loading system
Gonna need all the help it can get, its by far the worst ship of the update, worse than the Premium Gneisenau and the 7.3 Scharnhorst as well, which is a terrible look for the new “top” ship for the TT
as it should be, it was bad IRL so idk why people thought it would be good in game
Its over-hated on, similar to how it used to be over-hyped.
The new “in” thing to do in naval warfare history is to bash the bismarck and to pretend there wad literally nothing good about it and it was just complete trash, which is just as rediculous as the people who pretended it was some kind of wonder weapon.
A great example of this being how Drachinifel bashes the Bismarck class for having flat armor on its turrets as well as angled armor, cuz “flat is bad cuz you dont get increased ricochet chance and improved effective thickness” but “angled is bad cuz it makes it easier for the armor to be penetrated at range due to reduction in impact angle”.
People just love bashing the Bismarck to build controversy and drive engagement.
I mean, it had poor armor design and thickness, bad guns, bad fire control, very bad AA, not particularly fast, and poor rudder performance. it was not particularly good in any particular field and bad across many of them
Armor design? Yes to some degree, bigguest issue was the things they didnt armor rather than what they did.
Armor thickness? It was pretty much middle of the pack with most of the fast BB’s of its time. Higher than Litorio, roughly matched with Richelieu, S.Dakota, and N.Carolina, lower than KGV, and thats only if you dont consider the internal armor, in which case im pretty sure it beats them all in raw thickness prior to the magazine or machinery.
The guns arent particularly bad either. They arent the 16" guns of the US/UK/JP, but theyre pretty analogous to the 15" from all EU nations.
As far as I can tell, the fire control was generally considered pretty good. It had some issues, namely the fact it wasnt armored properly, but it was far from bad at the time.
Absolutely. The AA on German BB’s was a sick joke, with some of the german cruisers and DD’s having some advantages over it, namely in medium range systems. Unfortunately the Bismarck class never lasted long enough for the possibility of a late war refit to 37mm autocannons and 128mm DP guns as seen on the cruisers and DD’s.
That being said, most ships with “good” AA in WW2 only gained said good AA later in the war from refits (or had access to VT shells in the case of the US and I think maybe the UK?), and by the time major AA refits were occuring, Bismarck had been sunk for 2-3 years, and Germany was very much struggling in other more vital areas than the naval war.
Tirpitz did get somewhat of a refit though. Much like Yamatos refit, it was all 20mm guns, bringing her number from 28 up to 58, but much like the Yamato, the refit failed to address the flaw in the AA armament, namely the subpar long range (105mm, should have been bumped up to the excellent 128mm DP guns the germans had access to) and medium range (37mm SK C/30 was horrendous and should have just been tossed into the ocean to save weight and allow replacement with the 37mm M42 or M43, which was analogous to the widely used 40mm Bofors).
Wasnt particularly slow either, faster than N.Caroline, S.Dakota. Similar speed to Litorio, and slightly slower than Richelieu.
Rudders were bad yeah.
It wasnt a titan of the pacific like the US and Japanese BB’s, and came from a country without the technical knowledge of the other nations it was competing against, and without the knowledge share othet nations were privy to at the time for their BB development.
The fact it competed in many ways to the ships of other nations is incredible in itself considering the circumstanfes of its building, and the fact you’re widely negative/dismissive about all facets of the ship class despite most of your points being demonstrably false proves my point about people juat being overly negative about the ship.
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Then it should have that reflected in BR, not pumped up because its famous or might make german players feel bad their TT end of the line doesnt have as high a number.
If its problematic at 8.0 wtf is the Gneisenau doing at 7.7.
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