I just took this piece of sh1t (P51D30) out to see if it was as bad as I remember…just got run down by a fking J2M2 after I had dived from 4k to 1k. HATE this plane.
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I was just curious and watched the replay. Look I dislike facing the J2M2 but the way you died is completely on you. You didn’t get “run down” by a J2M2, it looks like you tunnel-visioned on the La-7 you were diving on, and then you turned about 90 degrees to the right while going vertical a little bit. By doing this you didn’t use your straight line retention and gave the J2M2 enough time to have guns on. If you continued shallow diving/extending after making a pass on the La-7 it would force the J2M2 to use his engine+airframe (higher drag than P-51) instead of purely relying on gravity assist to gain speed. Since the P-51D-30 is the faster plane, your superior linear retention allows you to lose much less speed extending while the J2M2 must immediately reclimb to minimize energy loss because of his lower straight line speed (and therefore linear retention is worse).
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Well, since the big accidental nerf to every U.S. Prop I play/have tested, I decided to revisit the 109s. I have acquired and then played maybe 5 or 6 matches in the Bf 109 G-6… and I must say it’s quite good. At least it has favorably impressed me.
I’m an unapologetic climber at match start… and the G-6 is a rocket compared to (most of) what I usually fly. The G-6 has much more easily managed MEC/WEP than the F-4 and the guns feel… good? I was genuinely surprised. My aim still sucks, but when I get the guns on, they seem to work. The MER and climb are forgiving because when you come down on someone you can be super aggressive and just wear them out.
@Negativewaves - I am sure you will appreciate that one of the only actual dog fights I had was against an F8F-1 at about 5500 meters. Your point about altitude is certainly valid if the 109 pilot chooses to climb. He committed to turning/looping with me… and I almost felt bad for him. ;-)
There is a bug that was just discovered. I was run down by the J2M2.
Top speed of various US props has been nerfed to hell, in this case top speed of P51D30 is 681 kmh, J2M2 is 696 kmh.
I don’t know how you could’ve thought it was ok/skill issue that I was in a dive, and closed in on by a J2M2. I should’ve immediately left that thing in the dust instead of it closing.
In my limited knowledge, the heavier plane (J2M) can accelerate better in a dive. But i don’t want to dismiss your claims, because I myself am a victim of japanese planes keeping up with me in an 800 km/h dive and in a straight line
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They do deploy.
Heavier planes do not necessarily accelerate better all throughout a dive, a zero will outdive a p47 up until 400kph or so.
And here is a comparison of p47 with min fuel and max fuel:
Graphs taken from this video:
It is a known and accepted bug, check out my post in another thread for the details: P-47 & P-51 Nerf on Sea-level Speed - #9 by Geamr
Pretty significant difference compared to with Full-real controls though:
AoA goes up to 15.5 in this recording. You can track elevator deflection’s degree by looking at my cursor position
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(I’m holding down maximum elevator deflection button once I stop spazzing out. My AoA on WTRTI caps out at 12.0 and stays there without issue. idk how to make it record alas.)
Approximately they deploy fully around 13 (bit over, it seems like they deploy when you go over 13 AOA but stay there as you ease the stick) degrees of angle of attack for the Bf109F4.
From what it looks like?
It looks like slats deploy when individual wing AoA goes high (which happens when you enter a slip or a skid - ergo: when turning) but cannot deploy when your wings experience equal AoA.
If you insist
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So that thing which should be way slower, is manuevering ALL over the place while I"m in a shallow dive with very slight inputs, and it is STILL closing in on me…and this isn’t completely out of wack with how a P51 should perform??
Ahahah, that’s not a deploy
That’s a deploy.
You are the only one maneuvering all over the place, you went from 680+ to 475 IAS… how on earth is this a slight input?
He also kept his trajectory in the dive, slow planes are allowed to accelerate in dives too lol, its not like they will dive from 3km alt to 1km and stay at 400 IAS just cuz you decided that his plane should be way slower.