Ok, I’ve encountered quite a few people claiming C.205 S3 is this and that.
In my experience it turns worse than F4, and it gets absolutely out-powered by G6.
Yet people claim it climbs as well as G6 and outturns F4.
What’s the truth?
For me this plane has always been poor man’s Fw 190 A5/U2 (the one from some time ago that did not suck) - but without high speed takeoff flaps, durability, guns mounted in wingroots and decent speed at low alt, but with better turn in exchange.
It felt pretty responsive. Good roll and turn with decently good climb rate.
It certainly doesn’t climb as well as the G-6 and not even as the F-4 but probably turns around the same or better as the F-4 while having much better roll and doesn’t overheat as much.
It has an equivalent to worse climbrate than the 109 F-4, but a way better dive speed(and most importantly rip speed), better armament, and high speed turn rate than the Bf-109s. It also feels more maneuverable in general.
Something about the Bf-109s just doesn’t click with me, but the C.205 S3for me just works so much better.
It climbs worse than F4 and is slower down low. It’s heavier than G6 with worse engine. Rip speed is excellent, but it’s not Fw 190 or G.55 regarding high speed control, it’s also slow at low alt, so diving down is rarely a solution to anything.
I honestly think it turns worse than F4 and similar to G6.
It’s one of these planes that wpuld be pretty decent inna squad. But in Air RB it’s mostly unable to deal with enemies co-alt, it’s only fast at higher alt and in all honesty - I’d rather play G.55 S0 which is also lower BR and better armed due to Bredas that can actually reach to decent range.
G6 works for me ever since I discovered I can go up in a sustained turn while my opponents can only go down. It just works. Of course it struggles vs goddamn Yak-3, but what doesn’t
I haven’t played C.205-3 for a while, and it might’ve been tweaked since then, but from my experience it was a great middle ground between the 109s and the 190s.
It has average climb rate, better than 190s but worse than 109s. Enough to climb on par with most opponents.
Its top speed is very close to 109G-2/trop, but unlike the 109s its cooling actually works, allowing to waste less speed via MEC and use WEP more frequently.
Turning performance is close to 109s. Worse in the verticals due to poor energy retention while being better at speeds exceeding ~450 km/h thanks to better control and flaps. Basically in downgoing maneuvers or in high-speed scissors 205 will have an upper hand.
Dive performance is very close to 190s, which is great, and speed retention after a dive is also quite nice.
I could also mention the armament, since to achieve firepower similar to 205 the Bf would have to equip gunpods, which eat away at its performance. So as an aircraft for b-n-z the 205 is overall more preferable.
Although I’d say with proper energy maneuvering the 109 can forgive a bit more mistakes with aiming or engaging the wrong enemy.
For reference here's my experience with the mentioned aircraft, no squads to statpad
I don’t think the range is that much better, compared to the damage of the 20mm.
Just make sure to use 20mm Stealth belt, or you end up shooting Mineshells with just 720m/s.
I have landed 1200m shots with these and HE bullet + real shatter + 4 MGs does some wonders.
You are right that stealth is the solution for MG151/20 - remember our Shvak discussion? I claimed that pretty substantial real life differences were not as bad as in game. I was right it seems, as I was using the Air Belt in many cases. I switched to stealth and the world makes more sense now.
Anyway, while the difference is not huge, Breda’s AP holds its speed pretty damn good, and with 4 MGs this means people can be pelted from very large distance, and G.55 just needs to slow them down, because once close, most aircraft can’t compete with it, as G.55 S0 main disadvantage is bad speed.
Yak-3 does everything but dive better. La-7 has only slight disadvantage in climb and big in rip speed.
Yak-9U is all around better performer (again, sans rip speed). XP-55 probably does everything better. Don’t know about direct F4U4 comparison, as I’ve never learned F4U4 aside from slow down, dump.landing flaps, have 1 chance to shoot the guy to pieces tactic of dogfighting.
The plane used to be way better in every regard, sat at lower BR, MG151/20 used to have better ballistics and while inferior to AN/M2s they rocked anyway, then for some time they were the best 20mm by a landslide - after the introduction of real shatter everything else was simply not doing damage for quite some time. So I understand the fond memories. But god damn, each time I play it, I face Yak-3 above me, goddamn 4.0 plane that I can’t do anything against but dive. I mean, patient dude in G6 will also be very tough to deal with.
I guess aside from Yak-3 XP-50 and XP-55 it’s not that bad since J2M2 is 5.0 now and everything else can be dealt with, though I have to admit I can’t make it work. I can make D9, G.55 and G6 work, but C.205 for me is a big big “no”.
Tell me, when did you play this plane? Because there were quite a few changes to it (I think it received a substantial turn rate nerf at one point) and its armanent and I want to know 100% we’re talking about the same plane (which to me, once again, is a poor man’s Fw 190, as its dogfighting ability is not there, while the BnZ and head-on performance is unfortunately vastly inferior due to wing mounted guns (although this is not that bad, they are relatively close to fuselage) worse rudder and lower durability
These stats are impressive assuming that’s Air RB, I can do 3KPB in Wyvern or D9 or F8, but this is a different beast altogether and you’re also winning a goddamn lot.
Just tested it and it indeed seems like they turn similar but only past 610 IAS C.205 gets a really noticeable advantge here, because it indeed compresses less than G6 and it can pull 11G around 700.
Oh, these times were different, plane sat at 4.3 or even lower, (I can’t tell when its flight performance was nerfed, so I won’t be discussing this, especilly since I did not fly it before 2022 I think)
MG151/20 had its glory days, still damn good stats! Keep on winning man!
Thanks, from what I remember 205 had various stages in terms of both performance and FM:
The humble beginnings at 3.7 with high-speed stiffening
The glory days at 4.0-4.3 with no control loss, but the rudder was ridiculous and easily caused it to spin uncontrollably
The current state at 4.7, with at least the rudder being made less effective.
It also felt somewhat more sluggish the last time I flew it, that’s why I didn’t dwell on horizontal turning since I can’t be sure about that one anymore. Well, that is considering that I could pretty safely outturn 109s back at stage 2 (see above), so now I guess an equally skilled 205 will get outturned by 109s if it has no spare energy to abuse flaps.
I could also abuse my experience and say the best I achieved was outturning an experienced Typhoon pilot in a duel, but that was a vertical one, and both aircraft suck in that regard lol
Now that I look back at it, it felt like 2 marathon runners breaking their own knees before a competition for more challenge
I have played a match. Pyorrrmaskiykymmskiy chased me down, then engaged someone else. I was able to rack 3 quick kills, but my wing got damaged, I-185 pushed a head-on, died with 4 kills. The plane is definitely viable, especially since I’m using stealth nowadays which makes MG151/20 a lot easier to aim.
But it doesn’t have an “easy way out” like G6 does, where I can just spiral climb people in p-63s, F4Us and P-51s without much thinking involved.
It has the “high speed reversal” up its sleeve vs some opponents. But I have to admit, it requires more “tactical flying” than I like. Oh well, 2 matches, 8 kills, will talk to you after I do some more.
I would love to switch to sim, too bad I don’t have the proper setup right now. But maybe in a year or so…
To be honest for proper sim I’d rather look somewhere else, but you do you
And yeah, 205 when it comes to positioning is better played more like a 190, that is a second-line fighter. And from then on engage the enemies based on their position, that is from highest to lowest.
