Beyond Visual Range Aircraft Event

“Bigger” maps are a separate suggestion entirely. It is technically possible to introduce a bigger map specifically for this event, ushering in a new maximum boundary beyond the current 131 x 131 km limit, but only so slightly as anything bigger would require technical works that would take months, not a couple hundred lines of code (which would affect other Gaijin products too, not just War Thunder).

The maps suggested (Afghanistan, Vietnam, Sinai, Spain) would serve as a baseline for the event and are a lot easier to implement as they already exist. They also work perfectly fine as they are prime maps for BVR in not just size but terrain that you can use to defend.

In this event specifically, you are going to air-spawn at 10 000 m, so the choice is up to you to either climb higher or descend. Most people would (or should, but with Meteor it’s fine where you are as more air = better) climb higher to launch, though.

The rest of your reply doesn’t apply to this.

And most of these missiles have home-on jamming (barring Russian ones as info is limited)… very helpful against a big, slow target lol

fair enough. Anyways i really want this to be an actual event and hopefully suggestion is passed. However from what i have learnt recently is that people don’t really like playing EC due to large maps, and this event would need large maps so this might not be as popular as SEAD

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Thank you.

I’m aware of this concern. However, the higher up in BR (or rather, modernity) you go, you’ll find that most combat isn’t the Cold War or even WWII up-close era combat we’re used to in War Thunder presently, it’s all beyond visual range. In fact, in or near top tier there’s only about a minute of BVR action before everyone starts slinging missiles medium to close range due to closing the distance by multipathing.

The size of the EC map also becomes less of an issue since everyone would have advanced AESA/PESA radars that can literally see everything and everywhere, so it wouldn’t be too long until you located a target at any altitude.

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there is a hard counter to this in expendable ECM like Britecloud and GEN-X

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I’m going to include the nations/sub-nations of Israel, Japan, and India (under the Great Britain tech tree) to the list. This provides a much wider range of aircraft and interesting missile tech from around the world.

Nations being added:

  • 🇮🇱Israel: Using the F-16I Sufa or F-15I Ra’am, armed with the domestic I-Derby ER. We’ll prioritise the I-Derby ER as their primary BVR weapon for this event rather than an export AMRAAM variant to highlight indigenous performance. The Derby ER is an excellent 100+ km-range weapon with a unique dual-pulse motor.
  • 🇯🇵Japan: Using the F-15JSI or F-2. Their primary BVR missile will be the domestic AAM-4B. Its kinematic performance is similar to a heavy AIM-120 variant, but it features a powerful AESA seeker. The aircraft are also technically capable of carrying the latest AIM-120D-3s (via the C-8 export variant), as documented in their latest purchase agreements.
  • 🇮🇳India (under Great Britain): Using the Su-30MKI or HAL Tejas Mk-1A. These will carry the domestically produced Astra Mk-2. Integration is complete on the Su-30MKI, with full series production and induction planned to start around July 2026. This missile uses a dual-pulse motor for a range exceeding 200 km.

Note: The above list isn’t a ‘definite’ roster of available aircraft in the event, just a guideline for the developers to use so that everyone can have something unique to participate with during this test event.

IIRC India is also planning to use ASTRA on their rafale so even that could be an option

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I know, I just thought it best to present vehicles it actually completed integration on first

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Also su-35 theoretically carries up to 8 r37ms but only 6 mounting points have operationally been shown

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Clearly they should give it 8 R-37Ms as shown by 1 brochure and a combination of like 4 pics of su-35s carrying them on diff pylons

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Added.

Could be an awesome mode with good seekers modeled and good maps, especially ones with terrain to really defend with.

+1

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actually, it will be 10-8 ( is missile, at least 2 ir) R77m if they decide to add jamming pods.

also r77m is a lot bigger than the 77-1, cant fit in double rail

Considering the outer wing pylons aren’t rated for a ~510 kg missile, 8 is pushing it even if they can be mounted while grounded.

Extremely large maps like the channel and actual energy fighting defeating missiles with engagement ranges not notching could be fun but so hard

The double rail will probably be possible given the fact that it dropped the grid fins.
Afaik the length of the 77M is a few CM less than the R-27E missiles so it’s probably still possible but just requires offsetting one of the dual racks to be either further forward or further back

Idk if someone pointed it out already, but just in case, you could add the Rafale with meteors for India.

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I know, but the goal was to present aircraft more with domestic stuff rather than a storm of export weapons.

Else, I would’ve suggested Israel/Japan with AIM-120D-3 too.

It mounts the 7th and 8th R-37M on the same pylon as the R-27ETs
I have a brochure of it somewhere 1 sec and I’ll find it