J10 feels kinda slept on its way better energy than F16A and pulls same with better energy and TWS and only mediocre gun is the problem
Style points
Guns ONLY:
1- Eurofighter is the best
2- Rafale is a close second, it just doesn’t have the raw power and sustained turn rate of the Eurofighter, the Eurofighter also handles better at slow speeds and extreme AoA.
3- Next is the Gripen
4- Then the F-2 (since the F-16block10s are not on 13.0-14.0)
After those, I’m not 100% sure how to place them and their differences in dogfight potential are small (grouped jets are considered tied)
5/6- Might be the JF-17 or the J-11B
7- Su-27SM/Su-27 (SM has stronger engines and rates better 800kph+ speeds, but they are very similar since the SM is a tad heavier)
8- F-16C block50 and block40 (one has a stronger engine, the other is lighter)
9- F-16A block15 (all the top tier F-16As)
10- F-15A
11- J-10A
12- F-15J(M)
13/14/15- M2k, F-15C, or F-18C late (in no particular order)
I was reluctant to place the Su-27SM higher than the F-16s but since both the SM and the J-11B now have better sustained turn rate than F-16A block15 and C, and still have great slow speed handling, technically they are better IMO, but are much harder to fly in a difficult dogfight. The F-16s have better energy retention on hard, unsustained turns, which makes them easier to fly.
Also, finally they fixed the AoA limiter on the gripen this patch, on the J-10A it still does nothing (even in full controls)
Note: If you are turning off the AoA limiter or going ham with full controls without already being behind someone you are a fool
The F-2 beats the gripen in most dogfights though? Also the J-10A is way better then the F-15s or flankers.
I’m undecided about the F-2 x gripen, but the gripen can do much tighter turns with a respectable turn rate, I thing it would fare well against the F-2 while trying to force the 1c in verticals.
J-10A has better unsustained energy retention than the flankers, but not much better than the F-15A. Both the F-15A and the flankers have better sustained turn rate, the flankers have the better low speed handling of the 3 and the F-15A has better TWR
Its a close fight but I think the J-10A would be in trouble if the F-15A or the flankers survive the first turns while forcing the 2c, and since the J-10A has a slow velocity gun, makes those turns easier to survive.
The J-10A has like 21deg/s sustained turn rate, that’s not great when it also doesn’t have any other strong suits like good TWR or ability to make slow and tight turns, the best thing going for it is a similar pull and unsustained energy retention to the F-16. I would put the J-10A slightly above the F-16D
I wouldnt rank a jet in general higher if he has 2 or 3 firing opportunities first…
and I think the players who do gunfights can aim this weapon pretty well… and if they dont do they probably also dont know how to fight the enemy plane…
F-15E.
Just BnZ, easy.
But by that logic even the bad flankers and the mirage2k and the F-18 would be very high up.
not really, many times it would be a headon against most aircraft… its probably more like some flase interpretation how the possitions are at the first turns by me…
the flankers will get like no more turn capability after turning that hard, which most delta wings do have
But since the first headon is a no no, the 2nd and 3rd turn the J-10A will be low on energy
and I assumed a different possition than a flanker would have in the circle fights than the j10 to the f15…
It doesnt need to turn that hard, the Su-27SM has HIGHER STR than the F-16, the J-11B is even better than the SM.
Against the J-10A it will be a hard fight but they are around the same level, but the flankers require more skill.
Don’t think the flanker is a 1C fighter now, its a potent 2C fighter after the buff with the ability to get very slow with awesome nose authority when the situation calls for it
thats more or less my ranking… I havent tested so far but somehoe the f15´s felt the worst there…
what about MIRAGE 2000 5F/5EII at 13.7 ?
Mid
It’s pretty good at low speeds stuff, but that’s it.
And even then, there are things that can do it much better than the mirage
Mirages are good for 2 turns and thats about it.
Yak141 is cool but it suffers from one critical flaw
It doesn’t have the GAU-12 :)