Man i play the Begleit at 11.7 and is a top tank,is an under br IFV,needs to be moved up like 10.7
I play the M22 at 8.7, clearly it should be 6.3. /s
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My comment it’s abbout that the Begleit can perfom good at 11.7 so i should be at 10.7 at most
Nope
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Think there should be more of a conversation of putting the 2S38 at the HSTV-L’s BR and putting the HSTV-L at the current 2S38 BR.
The bagel is fine, if not shafted like every other TOW vehicle because of how hard TOWs got nerfed.
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How about no, I’d rather not face an HSTV-L in my XM-1. It is much, much faster, while also being smaller, and that means so much in WT.
Just keep the bagel, HSTV-L where they are at, and move the 2S38 to 10.7 or 11.0.
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It has crewless turret, very powerful autocannon, bette reserve speed, alot shorter, ATGMs, and who tf cares about dozer blades?
IRST and gen 2s are nice, but aren’t game changers. Blegeit at 9.3 is disgusting
HSTVL really is a 1.5 second firing XM-1 that’s way faster smaller and a better turret/gun movement.
So what is that extra 30mm of penetration going to make the HSTV-L penetrate that the 2S38 cant already in regards to the XM-1, you can already go through everything but the cheeks of the XM-1 and the HSTV-L’s round cant do that either. Does that bit of mobility validate said vehicle being 11.7, the same can be said of the OTOMATIC at 11.3, it too should go down in BR.
That and you are omitting the superior optics, rate of fire, and the 2S38 having 5 times as much ammo.
Frankly I’d rather all the TOW slingers to go down in BR as long as they remain in their abysmal state. If gaijin chooses to give TOWs their actual historical flight performance then I see no issue for them remaining where they are.
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It’s not crewless :)
APCBC with less than 150mm of pen (also higher recoil than APFSDS)
Yet it has no smoke grenades
Not by much and it doesn’t matter
Yeah, I-TOWs
One who can utilize a fully unmanned turret in a hull down position anywher on the map while also using it to get more depression
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The HSTV-L is one of the fastest tanks in the entire game, and mobility is key in WT. the 2S38 is fairly easy to kill too. Neither should be moved down, but the 2S38 should be moved up slightly.
All ATGMs suck to use, it isn’t just the TOWs.
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It’s ~55mm of added penetration, not 30mm. The same difference as Strf 9040C is to 2S38. So are you saying Strf 9040C is almost as good as HSTVL as well or are you going to create double standards?
HSTVL has 310mm of penetration 60 degrees, and 269 flat. [At range, HSTVL has more pen than 2S38 has point blank.]
XM-1 has 336mm of penetration 60 degrees, and 291mm flat.
2S38 is 256mm of pen at 60 deg, 221 flat.
Strf 9040C is 194mm at 60 deg, and 168mm flat.
HSTVL has a 1.5 second reload, which is more than fast enough to deal with all MBTs, any faster is diminishing returns for dealing with ground vehicles.
Ammo count is the same. Ground vehicles don’t require that much ammo to deal with.
Obviously HSTVL’s gun is only a 0.3 BR difference at best… the other 0.7+ BR difference is the mobility.
HSTVL is THE fastest tank in the game people can get [VT1-2 is the only faster accelerating vehicle, but has a far lower top speed].
How can the fastest tank in the game ever be comparable to the mobility of Begleitpanzer and 2S38?
You should clarify how you got those numbers, I can already see it leading to confusion due to ti being wildly different from the statcards.
The real comparison isn’t ammo count, but ready rack ammo amount.
A lot of people would vehemently disagree with you on both cases the latter especially when it got banished to the void.
Can’t even recall the last time I’ve ever seen a OTOMATIC in game, its been years at this point, and the HSTV-L, I think I’ve run into 2 in total, 2S38 though…
Bagel on the other hand I’ve encountered them rather often, at least in the past, their numbers have substantially dwindled from my experience, mainly due to the cancer existing, that and there being far better options with the same exact hull in the BR range.
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Statcards tell you the thickness of the plate, to get the thickness of the material penetrated you need to do thickness of the plate / cos of the angle.
In this case 128/cos60 = 256.
@Lolman345 I see HSTVL and 2S38 at the same rate.
Rate of popularity =/= powerful.
Is it really only based on mass? Not diameter as well? Seems diameter would be a much neglected aspect if not.
From what I’ve read it’s primarily [if not exclusively] based on mass.
Round fragmentation is based on something else I think.
It’s called a straw man, he does them incessantly.
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Interesting, seems like a glaring fault, but maybe it’s hard to model idk. A thicker round spalls more.
That’s not how spalling of armor works, that’d be more flawed than mass.
It’s energy on impact + the brittleness of the armor it’s hitting.