Begleitpanzer 57 to 10.3 like the 2s38

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You can oneshot every tank except for some heavies. Thats no reason to use postwar ammunition and bam bam bam your way through Panzer IVs which cant even tank it frontally. Or T-34 or Shermans. And then the Game client rates it as SPAA which require almost no spawn points to bring.

At least they can tag it tank destroyer or something.

I mean its GRB. Ist not exactly a gamemode which is balanced around armor. Its usually more like who is positioning / spotting first and who has better reload times to deal with several targets simultaneosly. And something like the ZSU or AMX can zapp whole groups of med tanks before they can even traverse their guns towards it. Good gunhandling…all SPAAs have this. Most even good mobilitly. Its like playing a Ego Shooter with minigun while your opponents all have single shot muskets.

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Frontally, with those AA? I don’t think so.

If you die to those unexpectingly from the front with the Panzer IV, then that’s unfortunate. Other than that, just shoot HE and they’ll go away.

T-34s are iffy, they can shoot the turret ring / turret cheeks only. The Shermans are much more difficult to kill, on the other hand.

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Spray the gun, even 50mm pen ACs will find their way into the turret and off the crew. At least the earlier versions.

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Autocannon vehicles usually don’t need to stop. At least I always use them as mobile shooting platform. The high fire rate compensates the lack of a stabilizer. You will hit, even when you go full speed. Any common tanks need to stop, cause you can’t risk to waste your only shot before reloading.

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Sure you will hit, but you may not hit the correct spots. You need to shoot the turrets for both the T-34s and Panzer IV. The opposite is true for those tanks, they can also just move on the go (as they do not have to aim) and even shooting the track can overpressure them:

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Nice story. But how many players have HE or HEAT preloaded ? Not alot I assume.

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That’s why it’s always useful to carry them. I take a lot of them (5 at least) on the M4A2.

They are not as big of an issue as you think. The only problem is knowing when they’re there, which can be said with any tank, really.

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10.0 would be fine

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I think that’s way too high. It doesn’t get APFSDS, nor is its ATGM tandem.

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It doesn’t need sabots or tandem. It’s already a rat vehicle.

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A rat vehicle suitable for 9.3 / 9.7, not 10.0.
The ZBD is better than it in many ways.

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9.3, and even 9.7 are far too low for the light tanks it faces. There’s no reason for things like bradley or M551 to go against the bagel

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Bradley and M551 wouldn’t face it if it were 9.7, which was what I was suggesting.
Plus M551 shouldn’t be 8.3 anyways. It should really be 8.0.

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those were just an example. There’s plenty of 8.7s that don’t even come close to the bagel that it faces.

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So it can kill 8.7 light tanks effectively, and kill 8.7 MBTs from the side somewhat well. Good for it, I guess?
This is a full downtier, and stuff like that can happen.
Let me give you an example:
Olifant Mk.2 is 9.3, with Gen 2 thermals, decent turret armour in a full downtier, 6.7s reload with DM63, ESS, and fairly good reverse speed.
It is practically better than the T-55A (which is 8.3) in almost every single way.
Are you going to ask for it to be moved up too?
How about the AMX-32 (120), or the CM11, or the Merkava Mk 1/2B? - all being significantly better than the T-55A, or practically any 8.3 MBT.

If anything, this is just a compression issue at 8.3 - 9.3. The bagel is not the only thing that’s the problem.

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a unstabilzed tank to 10.3 …

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It’s fully stabilized.

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It would perform perfectly fine at 10.0. Taken as it oppresses alot of lower BR tanks, there’s no reason not to move it up.

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Ah yes, let’s put the T32 from 7.3 to 8.0. Taken as it oppresses a lot of lower BR tanks, there’s no reason to not move it up.

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That’s a crappy comparison. T32 would perform poorly at 8.0. Bagel would perform perfectly fine at 10.0.