2S38 is designed as SPAA, according to the devblog. So why should the 2S38 keep its APHE and APFSDS over the Otomatic? Either all of the SPAAs get the AP round removed nor none.
In the current battle rating situation the 2S38 is way underrated. If the 2S38 keeps the Br10.3 a lot of other tanks need to moved down, because a PUMA (no spike) is not on the same level as a 2S38 for example.
But this russian bias is and will be part of the game.
2S38 is a light vehicle in the game.
I’m also not a fan of SPAAs cosplaying as TDs.
There’s no bias.
SPAA =/= can’t fire ammo.
Also, your post seems to want to keep OTOMATIC 11.3 instead of lowered to a BR where it’s actually useful as SPAA.
2S38 is not really under-BR’d at this time, and Puma is a false equivalence fallacy.
Puma is best compared to BMP-2M, Freccia, etc.
There is no Russian bias.
anyone thinking begle goes to 10.3 is trippin hard
now if you said you added irst, i could agree.
begleit is at the correct battle rating the problem is that a lot of other autocannon vehicles arent at good battle ratings which creates a false thought that begleit should be higher because its better than cv9030 or similar vehicle,the real fix for the problem is that cv9030 should go down.
idk about swedish vehicles, but i agree the begle is perfect where it is
Cause Gajin is ignoring its own statements from the dev-blog and classified the 2S38 as light vehicle on purpose. On the other hand the technical specs of that vehicle speak for themselves aswell.
All of them or just cherry picked ones?
Desirable but unrealistic:
-Why did Gajin not decreased the BR of the Otomatic to a similar level of the 2S38?
-With both being for example Br 10.3 a lot of other tanks need to lowered/changed.
So the battle rating of the Otomatic is fixed, and the 2S38 needs to move.
Not at all, all of them are “auto lights” like you call them.
For vehicles like the 2S38 and OTOMATIC, which were designed to mostly be SPAA but also for AT engagements, that isn’t really what’s happening. One of the main functions of the OTOMATIC was engagements against ground targets (including armored cars, IFVs, and MBTs), so you can’t really make it just an SPAA.
Afaik the limitation on the OTOMATIC’s ammo is just ahistorical and not due to it being an SPAA, with the bug report I wrote about it in the summer still being acknowledged.
What Gaijin really should do is make a separate light-tank-SPAA class that costs less SP than a light tank, but it still increases in SP as the match goes on (but at a slower rate), and then they should move the 2S38 to 11.0 and give the OTOMATIC its 38 APFSDS.
Pretty much all of them with a very few exceptions.
In my opinion best thing for OTOMATIC is to drop down in BR so it can face easier CAS. Italy should be given proper top tier SAM system as well.
Cause OTOMATIC has the best APFSDS round fired out of auto cannons.
The only way OTOMATIC moves down below 11.0 is if APFSDS is removed.
2S38 was already moved.
And no, they aren’t auto-lights.
Auto-lights are light tanks “high caliber guns” for lack of a better term with fast fire rates, I’ve always defined them this way. It encompasses the 150 - 360mm penning auto-cannons with 500+ gram projectiles.
Puma goes into the IFV category as it’s a low-caliber autocannon.
I mean true, but I don’t think it should be unable to do AT duties (which without APFSDS, it would have to rely on SAPHEI which won’t fuse on a lot of lighter vehicles and/or particularly lightly-armored panels on MBTs.
you also can’t kill what you can’t pen so that’s also a thing
You say the multipurpose Otomatic should loose its APDSFS while 2S38 (also multipurpose SPAAG) still can have its APCBC and APDSFS? That´s not fair at all and reeks biased to me.
That´s no reason to adjust the Battle rating to its proper value.
Thank you for your explanation, so next time i can ignore your cherry picked definition.
APCBC is 8.3.
APFSDS is ~10.3.
If 2S38 loses its APFSDS it moves to 9.7 instantly in conjunction with its SPAA capability.
Also I am the first on the forum to define auto-lights, and you’re the first ever person to disagree with the way it’s defined.
I agree, and that might be a better option than having it keep its APFSDS.
Where? And how do you define them?
Good question; I personally cannot recall.
However these are the classifications I use:
Light tank: A tracked vehicle with modest armor and an anti-tank weapon.
Auto-light: A tracked vehicle with modest armor and a medium-caliber fast-firing weapon as its primary weapon.
IFV: A vehicle with non-crew passenger capability with low-caliber weapons.
Auto-light was needed to talk about VCC-80/60, HSTVL, Strf 9040, and Begleitpanzer; avoiding comparing them to TAM or M3A3 when that’s not apt comparisons.
2S38 came and fit the definition perfectly.
Considering all the different battlefield roles the 2s38 can cover; it’s still undertiered.
So M1A2 SEP1 should be 13.0 because it’s more multi-role than 2A7V… according to your post.
That’s not how combat capabilities work, and your post is pure propaganda defending the 2S38 in the most incorrect way possible.
I hate what they did to TOWs. Look at a video of a real TOW firing, it’s much better than in WT. If only the nerf also affected Russian missiles.