Always with interesting informations about the German stuff !
You do a good job each time. 👍
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Continuing the discussion from Why Are battle Passes going down hill?:
Have in that the German have captured one:
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Don’t tempt me on this one… Or I will wish we have it one way or another.
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Do you mind linking the source? Would really like to read it :)
Dont know if its the same source but this image from one of your previous posts states it only could carry 3, so one is wrong and the other must be corret.
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The A-3/R4 or R3 inherit the same defensive armament as the A-3/R2, which is exactly the same as the current A-5. Anyway, it’s not like a 20mm MG-FF instead of a 20mm MG 151 would make any real difference. What actually would have been different is if Gaijin had chosen something like the He 177 A-1 (a more sensible option instead of the cheap copy-paste), as at least it had a ventral revolving turret and wider firing angles.
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They should both have a feature where their engines catch on fire if you use WEP for too long
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It also has less than half the climb rate, and can’t fire its bombs off several kilometers from the target - meaning its in danger longer when bombing and is at a lower altitude.
Whilst the plane could carry 2 under fuselage racks the ground clearance of the rear missile was minimal. Ive seen drawings but never found a pic of the double fit and it seems the standard loadout was a single plus the wing missiles.
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The B-29 has a climb rate of 6.5m/s and the 177 has 8.0. That is not “less than half”. Additionally, the Hs 293 has 300kg of explosives. I’m assuming that’s what you mean by “firing its bombs off at multiple kilometers”, the insane idea of using 293s, these manually-guided, optically-tracked rockets, for base bombing. Resulting in less than a ton of payload on target at best- compared to ten tons for the B-29.
With a full load of bombs the B-29 definitely has less than half the climb rate. Also, using the guided bombs from kilometers away is safer than the B-29’s use-case, where it can’t score without getting close. Getting essentially a free ton of payload without having to be remotely close to the base seems like a massive plus.
No.
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Pal you mean 20? 40000 LB divided by 2,000LB = 20
No, it’s 20,0000lb unless I’m crazy
500x40
Oh what. Shiz. Dang it. Lmao my math stopped mathing
How to say “i never play bombers” without saying i never play bombers.
1T of payload is nothing. For base bombings you will still use classic bombs
It’s not like that matters though, bombers in this game are mostly free kills just waiting to get shot down. This one won’t be much different, not to mention it’s a copypaste. I wonder when will we finally get a decent battle pass vehicle again. The last one was probably that french AMX thingy or a Strikemaster. Everything else since then was total garbage
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Can’t. It seems that both sites that I use for pdf books are down:
https://singlelogin.re/book/1147319/f5155b/heinkel-he-177-277-274.html?dsource=recommend
https://archive.org/details/heinkel-he-177-277-274_compress
Well, in that book, it states that the Kehl III can control both the PC 1400X & Hs 293 with the A-3/R4, (not R3 gaijin) receiving the Kehl III. Additionally, the Kehl IV can control up to FOUR such weapons:
Still, its a difference ballistically, unlike the identical Shermans, T-34s, Spitfires, il-2s etc which proliferate this game. As for the A-1, I am not sure if you are joking but the A-1 had numerous issues with its DB 606 engine. Gaijin was actually smart (for once) in putting in an aircraft with the DB 610
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Imho here it is a matter of actual experience with the missile, not of playing bombers.
Agreed - besides that it depends on the actual TNT equivalent, or to be more precise the TNT equivalent gaijin sees as “balanced”. Iirc especially German bombs have not the actually higher TNT equivalent of their explosives as they should have - i am quite sure i read about this “balancing nerf” some time ago.
On top of that it is for me unclear how gaijin determines the actual range of the weapon - so based on drop altitude like irl or based on their understanding of how it should work. At higher alt a range of 8-10 km should be possible, i found a source claiming a max range of 18 km.
But imho more decisive will be the controlling of the missile: Do they implement steering by watching the flares at the tail end - or will gaijin allow a “weapon view” which would put a 3rd person camera behind the missile - whilst you still can control it…
In case gaijin would allow a “weapon view” I see a small chance for making the HS 293s actually useful in Air RB:
Dropping from above 7 km to increase the range and to attack enemy aircraft landing on their forward or main airfield mid to late game. Unfortunately the average bomber pilot is dead at this time…
The engine issues of the He177 are well known, but often not well described. Some references fail to acknowledge the improvements over time, and some even completely miss the change from DB606 to DB610 and assume it was a total disaster from start to finish.
Much has been said already, I’ll add just a few extra notes on the subject…
The definitive DB610 installation was a big improvements over the early engines but still suffered a lot of teething problems, in fact the initial 610 was even worse than the preceeding 606 during early testing.
Even at the later stages the complex oil system proved vulnerable and caused fires despite efforts to divert leaks from the hot engine parts. In normal use however it was much improved.
The lack of a true firewall in all variants meant in the event of a fire the chances of damage to the wing interior including the main spar was greatly increased. This could cause problems even if the engine fire itself could be successfully doused.
Coupled engines are inherently more vulnerable to crankshaft and fuel supply issues. Problems with one half of the engine very often results in both being lost. The companies recognised this and was one driving forces behind the B variant that led to the He274, but that was greatly delayed by the bureaucracy of the period. (The Fairey Gannet was a rare exception to the coupled engine rule,but she wasnt built for performance…or looks!)
Overall the He177 performed much better than many give it credit for, but remained far from trouble free until the end. Of course most issues will be irrelevant in WT, as will the any advantages and its real life operationally use.
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