BAe Sea Harrier - Technical data and discussion

Flames explanation of how it works from the old forum:

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"Over in the Tornado thread I’ve alluded a couple of times to a previously unknown British modification to the AIM-9L. Now that I’ve got a bit of time I thought I’d write a proper explanation for what it was.

As a bit of background: the AIM-9L seeker produces an acquisition audio tone whenever an IR source irradiates the detector cell. The pilot can then fire the missile in boresight mode (where the missile will just fire and try to lock onto whatever is in front of it), or press a button which will cause the seeker to attempt to the lock onto the the target and then uncage before launch (like we have in game), the latter being the normal mode of operation. In the case of the Tornado F.3 the button the pilot pressed to lock the seeker on was known as the “Target Acquisition Enable” (TAE) button.

The absolute minimum IR intensity the AIM-9L can detect is 15pw/cm -2 , but it needs about 35 pw/cm -2 in order to track a target reliably. It seems that when the AIM-9L was in development the Americans were concerned that the pilot couldn’t easily tell from the audio tone what the IR intensity of the target was; so the pilot may end up firing the missile without a strong enough return for it to track properly. They therefore implemented the “chirp” system into the missile (so called because it made the missile make a chirping sound when locked on). Basically (I’m simplifying a little) when the pilot attempted to lock the missile onto the target before launch the seeker would be repeatedly driven off-centre from the target, meaning that the target needed to have an IR intensity of about 70 cm/pw -2 before the missile could successfully lock on it, as the seeker wouldn’t be looking straight at the target. This would ensure that if the seeker had managed to obtained a lock it would easily be able to track the target after launch (because the IR intensity required for lock was much higher than that required for tracking).

The British decided that the chirp system “constitutes a very conservative confidence factor”, and that it wasn’t even needed because the pilot could use the sidewinder seeker symbol on the aircraft’s HUD to determine if the missile was tracking properly before launch. They therefore set about developing a way to remove the chirp system from the AIM-9L so that they could lock and fire it at greater range.

This is where the Tornado F.3 STF 113 de-chirping modification comes in (a proper British bodge job). They worked out that by modifying the wiring inside the LAU-7 missile launcher they could trick the AIM-9L seeker into thinking that the missile had already been launched (even though it was still attached to the aircraft) meaning the seeker could be made to lock-on to targets without the chirp system coming into play (as chirp was disabled as soon as the trigger was pulled). This modification to the launchers enabled the Tornado F.3 to lock onto targets with the AIM-9L at much greater ranges than other AIM-9L equipped aircraft could. According to the Tornado F.3 tactics manual the lock on range of the AIM-9L was essentially doubled under some conditions (which makes some sense as it now only needed half of the IR intensity it previously did in order to lock on).

I’m aware that this sounds like bit of a wild story, so here is the proof to back it up."

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Man you stole it from me >:( I WAS FIRST >:(

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Hehe, bookmarks :P

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So the Americans hampered the ability of the AIM-9L because their pilots were incompetent. And the British improved on what the Americans made. I’m starting to see a pattern here.

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More like USA pilots were unsure, so they added a system that makes them sure but hinders what they can do, and UK looked at it and went “Remove it”

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Reliable but with a downside.

Why are the Sea Harriers classed as an attack aircraft like the other Harriers? Does this mean that the MiG-23’s and F-4’s are ground attack aircraft?

you mean strike and that’s just weird

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If I recall, they did provide that role in the Falklands but yeah, CAP is their mantra, not ground attack

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That’s why I’m comparing it to stuff like the Phantom, Bearcat, Corsair, Tomcat, Falcon, etc. if they’re not strike aircraft then why are the Shar’s?

That is a very good point. I guess Gaijin went “All the other harriers are strike aircraft… eh that’ll do, it’s a harrier as well”

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lol I completely forgot there was a post in this Sea Harrier thread requesting that F-5C goes to 9.7 via removing their flares.

I played Sea Harrier in sim the other day. it was pretty neat.

Bruh i know it never had it but you got to let it have it

It’s not an entirely unreasonable annoyance in the Sea Harrier. Bear in mind, the F5-C on full reheat is colder than a Sea Harrier. The annoyingly cold nature of the F5-C heavily impacts the performance of any IR seeker when they use flares. 9Ls should be nearly unflarable if the target is on full reheat like that.

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Yeah, that’s an AB temperature issue rather than one of countermeasures.
& for some reason Britain didn’t develop countermeasures for GR1, and instead only supported GR3 forward.
Also only tested SRAAMs on GR1.

The only reason the Gr.3 has countermeasures is because of the Falklands which they were retrofitted onto to bring it up to the Sea Harrier’s standard. The one we have in game should technically be able to use AIM-9L’S but I don’t see a real reason why considering we have the FRS.1e.

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Yep, though that would nerf the flares a bit, most aircraft, you usually need to throttle down for flares to work, like on a Phantom or Tornado. Its the fact they dont that I think pisses people off more than the “maybe” flares. (Personally, I think they could have gone either way for the flares on the F5-C and it would have been “correct”)

Well, technically they did. I think the conclusion that was reached on this matter, is that there is no reason why the mounts developed for the Gr3 couldnt have also been fitted to the Gr1, they just never were. But basically that is what the Gr3 is, a Gr1 with RWR and CM. I dont think there is any further modifications than that.

Nothing wrong with the SRAAMs, its a shame they werent tested on more things. They were slated for a lot of British aircraft, Persoanlly, I want to see them added to the Jaguars, would be the right A2A buff for them I think. Not too strong, but useful. Though looking forward to their overhaul. If its ever finsihed

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SRAAM buff’s along with them getting added to more things would get them back on track.

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I don’t think they even tested the SRAAMs on it, just fitted. But even then, it was fitted on a training version, not on a GR.1.

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