BAe Sea Harrier - Technical data and discussion

I’m really confused at were you even stand on the harrier.

The E-M chart and VIFF documentation exist and in war thunder it can not match the desired values.

It seems you think it can’t match those values irl anyways. You clearly don’t want to see it buffed.

I never said it’s better then a modern fighter I said it lies between something like a F-4E and the F-15A

And it does, all I said was in some cases it has an advantage and your post proved that.

So I’m not so sure why the hubris falls on me.

Easy, its a good platform for what it was built for, an attack aircraft that can be based on improvised runways and pads in the event of a cold war gone hot where forward bases would be harder to operate from due to enemy fires.

In the air to air role it had some niches, but failed to deliver on either superiority or dominance required for NATO air forces. Largely in the air defence role it was only advantaged against Tornado F.3 when there was a missile disparity (Skyflash Vs AMRAAM). Once we had CSP/AOP/FSP Tornado was able to fill the AD role better, longer endurance, more missiles, two seater so reduced workload for the pilot etc etc etc

I just want it to be as correct as can be in game. Sometimes that comes with compromise as the game isn’t a 1:1 real life simulator, and I’ve watch as for months you’ve done nothing but argue with everyone in every thread regardless of the topic at hand and its gotten pretty tiring haha not going to lie chief.

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Literally a day ago.

I’m sure everyone that has paid attention in any thread has seen you endlessly claiming that the Harrier is a better dogfighter than more or less any 4th Generation plane out there.

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Context is key we were being sarcastic

Right we all know that but it doesn’t really come close.

Or do you think it does? That’s what I’m assuming.

Didn’t you know the Harrier out rates everything

Big Lockheed couldn’t allow it to live

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Next thing we know harrier outrates x wing fighter

Though basic things like the sooty exhaust or EEGS not being fixed after all this time is rather frustrating. Especially for anyone trying to play it in SB with 0 gunsight

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Nah it’s fine as is trust

Who actually does play it in sim yet alone play it at all though really.

Non of the exhaust reports have been fixed for any aircraft as far as I can see.

All cockpit elements are done when they’re done, some have taken years some days. It is what it is.

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I’ve not touched the FRS1 since the decompression, it’s so outclassed in SB it’s pointless. The FRS1e I’ve not played since the updated HUD

What about the IR signature

The context is that you have been making the exact same argument for years without a hint of irony.

Anytime someone other than yourself actually looks at the performance figures they always reach the same conclusion. The plane is not the suprelative dog fighter that you think that it is.

Yeah, but no less frustrating

Yes outclassed and now they removed all of its air to ground abilities by not completing the hud

You can’t even bomb with it now unless you want to go visually CCIP hit the bases

Sea Eagle could have been nice

Logged and open, our first attempt didn’t have enough comparative evidence to make a decision on the how much to reduce. Just waiting on the second report being actioned.

Well the Lockheed fanboys didn’t really like it when I said the F-35 wasn’t designed for dogfighting and the video saying that it was is a load of bullshit as well.

The people that worked on the plane largely thought my take was correct.

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The only thing I think is meaningful to add for the Harriers for flight performance is adding drag to the nozzles as they rotate so we can properly hover stop. That way you can actually employ the one of limited number of tricks the Harrier can do in Air to Air.

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Really? Lmao

So no buff to their climb rate acceleration VIFF or sustained turn rate?

But I suppose that would be 1 part of VIFF

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Directional exhaust and associated effects would be awesome.

Though at the moment, I would be just as happy to get

In the future, corrections to the FM would be awesome though I feel Gaijin will just hide behind “game limitations” for those indefinitely like they did with the Tornado.

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