This is from the same document, the exact same manual they used.
How is it less primary when it’s the same thing.
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The AV-8A manual is less primary than the AV-8A manual according to the devs
@Gunjob
Could you please talk to the devs. I think 5 primary sources including the source the devs used should be more then enough.
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To play devils advocate: 7.5g in that diagram is the structural limit, it is not saying the aircraft is actually capable of pulling that many g.
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Not quite there is another chart for that.
Flight strength diagram is a composite presentation of the airplanes operating envelope.
It represents pulling the wing until stall AOA. This angle varies based on Mach number.
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Please stop pinging multiple members of staff. You have received a response already from the developers. Spam tagging me and then Technical Moderators as well is not going to change that outcome. They cannot do anything else further for you. I have already explained to you what is required.
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5 new sources where shared with yourself and the devs.
Every one of them is official.
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If you have new sources that were not included in the previous report in any way, you can make a new report. The old one has been answered and concluded already. Previous reports that have received a dev response are not reopened. As we make clear, new ones need to be summitted.
As a warning, the HUD video will not be accepted as I have already explained.
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They where all included in the first report.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/jcn0ARTQnKgB
Then they are not new sources. They are all sources that have been previously seen and reviewed. Im talking about entirely new sources of information.
Gaijin:
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So just to clarify, The Operating data manual, CA RtoS document, NASA TM reports, The AV-8A manual, and the sea harrier BAE report were all reviewed, and the devs decided that 1 chart with undefined terms was correct.
All of that when, all 5 other sources (including the manual they got their plot from) suggest the same values. There is even footage of a real aircraft pulling the quoted G at the approximated weight.
There is exactly only 1 outlier source out of all the sources. Somehow only that one is deemed correct?
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A full contextual answer regarding what the aircraft is configured too and why that is was provided to you by the devs already: Community Bug Reporting System
There is nothing further to clarify on at this point.
As I pointed out before according to their own source the coefficient of lift figure is incorrect.
As i pointed this out when the report was first responded too.
This is the Coefficient of lift chart the devs claimed to have used to model the harrier.
They failed to read the report in its entirety, otherwise they would have read that all values where normalized to 1.
In this chart a Cl of 1 actually represents a real Cl of 1.46.
The nasa report they referenced is the thing I just shared 1 post above.
In their own response they claimed I was correct.
Here is another plot also from the same manual they used.
Just to add here is a source for a 16,000 lbs aircraft pulling to only the lateral oscillation buffet level.
Moving away from FM for a moment, still stupid that:
- EEGS
- Cockpit HUD
- Sooty Exhaust
- RWR
- Flare release amount
Havent been fixed yet for the FRS1 and/or FRS1e respectively
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They changed the Radar on the dev server and managed to make it worse too (blue fox) then got mad at me when i tried to report it.
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They obviously dont want to buff the harriers fm for whatever reason, and unless we find a new mythical first hand source were not getting anything changed on it.
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Yeah…
I literally have spend over a year looking for a few specific things lol. I have even meet an AV-8 pilot and he gifted me all of his personal memorabilia as well as old manuals.
Still all of that cant get the devs to fix it lol.
There are no other sources, I quite literally have them all now. They just will not fix it like you say.
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In all fairness the tornado is semi close enough. Its not exactly well known for being agile or a capable fighter.
On the other hand the sea harrier is one of the most famous fighters in the world. Its performance is basically 1/10 of IRL and there would actually be a lot of work involved.
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