BAe Sea Harrier - Technical data and discussion

[warhead_beast]

@FlyingOstridge

The BOL’s yes. The radar probably no.

OH NVM just saw the AV8B+ sits also at 11.7

[Morvran]

Even then, unlike the Gr7 or AV8B+. It’s 4x Aim9M and no BOL or 2x Aim9M and 2x BOl (or 3x Aim9M and 1x BOL). So would be a lot less than either of the Harrier II. Would still likely be 11.7, but might scrape 11.3.

[FlyingOstridge]

can’t it use the sidewinder rail with countermeasures?

[Gunjob]

See the OP

@Gunjob

4 x AMRAAM (Outboard and Under Fuselage) 2x ALE-40 & 2x CRL/BOL (380CM's)
2 x Sidewinder (Outboard) 2 x AMRAAM (Under Fuselage) 2x ALE-40 & 2x BOL-304 (380CM's)
2 x Sidewinder (Outboard) 2 x ADEN30 Gunpod (Under Fuselage) 2x ALE-40 & 2x BOL-304 (380CM's)
2 x AMRAAM (Outboard) 2 x ADEN30 Gunpod (Under Fuselage) 2x ALE-40 & 2x CRL/BOL (380CM's)
4 x Sidewinder (Outboard Twin Rail) 2 x ADEN30 Gunpod (Under Fuselage) 2x ALE-40 (60CM's)
4 x Sidewinder (Outboard Twin Rail) 2 x AMRAAM (Under Fuselage) 2x ALE-40 (60CM's)

[DevilO6]

It uses the double rail to get 4 missiles, bol can be only one

[FlyingOstridge]

So what’s the name of the sidewinder rail on the Gr.7 and Gripen?

[Morvran]

It’s like the FRS1 and it’s dual 9L rails. But BOL can’t be fitted on those dual rails

[DevilO6]

Ok i think made it sound wrong. The Shar 2 uses harrier 1 base, so it has 2 pylons per wing, while GR 7 has 4 per wing. That is why Shar 2 has to use double rail, just like squad Shar 1, to mount 4 missile on the double rail on the outboard pylon. But bol cant be mounted on the double rail. So you either mount double rail with 2 9m or you mount a bol with 9M.
Inboard pylons are for fuel tanks and dumb munition, so neither missile nor bol can be mounted there.
Also i dont think the bol(what would be a better term to call amraam/Skyflash rail, bol or crl?) was mounted under fuselage, but i might be wrong.

[Morvran]

Quick diagram.

On the Sea Harrier FA2 on the wings you have a choice between these 2 configurations and only 1 hardpoint for AAMs per wing. (You can also have AMRAAM instead of Sidewinder, but only with the single rail, though should still be able to have a BOL)

[FlyingOstridge]

I understand that. What I’m asking is: the sidewinder rail. On the F-14B, Tornado F.3, JAS39, and Harrier Gr.7. that has 160 countermeasures in it. Was that ever fitted to the Shar FA.2?

[Morvran]

I think they are the same ones. 160 per BOL. So 2x BOL = 320

Then plus the 60 internal like the FRS1 has. So 380 total when running 2x BOL.

@Gunjob

* 2 x AN/ALE-40(V) (60 flares/chaff)
* 2 x BOL 304 dispensers (320 chaff/IRCM's)

[FlyingOstridge]

Ok wait. I get it now.

[FlyingOstridge]

So is it a size thing that prevents the bol from being used on the twin rack or is it electronics?

[Morvran]

That I have no idea about. @Gunjob might know though.

Im guessing a combo of size, weight and wiring

[FlyingOstridge]

Obligatory @Gunjob mention.

[Morvran]

If in doubt, the almighty corgi will probably know the answer :D

[Flame2512]

It’s more a case of there being no evidence that it was ever done, than a case of there being evidence it was impossible to do.

[Firestarter]

on the inboard pylons, maybe the Chaff/Flares would foul the aircraft on deployment?

Not sure why the Outboard pylons wouldn’t carry them.

[DevilO6]

We are talking about mounting bol on the double rails, the ones seen on the squad Shar

[Firestarter]

yeah I know. presumably the inboard ones with BOL rails might’ve fouled the exhausts?