What I’m saying is that there’s no point in bringing them into this game at all. It has its own atmosphere.
Ok, does the b66 outaccelerate or outturn the vatour at higher altitude and with bombs then?
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Out-run 100%. No externally mounted bombs that cause drag.
Out-accelerate as well it seems for the same exact reason.
All while carrying 1 more bases of bombs, and 3x the fuel.
If you bring a more safe amount of fuel in Vautour, it goes slower.
And that’s all at 2000 meters altitude.
Strange, Vautour requires a ‘single extra 750lb bomb’ in the wing pylon to kill a single base
(7x750lb, 2.5t total. israel requires 7x 360kg) - 7.7 multiplier
Or you can try a lighter payload as
-8x 500lb for France (1940.8kg, 8.0 multiplier)
-4x 500kg for israel (1814.4kg, 7.8 multiplier)
While B-66B IS forced to equip either one of
-4x 3000lb (5479kg, 4.5 multiplier)
-12x 750lb (5073kg, 5.0 multiplier)
It is meaningless because Gaijin punishes the player who carries a heavier payload.
And Vautour can go lighter, while B-66B is forced to be heavier.
Also, no matter how B-66B outrun Vautour or not
It won’t change the fact that B-66B is overrated junk.
I think I explained this to you countless times.
Honestly, with no offence, I wonder why you keep arguing about this.
It is clear that both B-66B and Vautour are worthless. along with those Buccaneers.
All of these are worse than Canberra and IL-28 in downtier, and worse than Yak-28B or Su-7 in same BR
and worse than F-4C, Su-17M2, F-105D in uptier.
There is no role remaining for old bombers.
Just like ‘No Country for Old Men’ by Cormac.
Why do you just keep arguing about ‘why B-66B shouldn’t get buffed’?
I think I really need to know.
It really seems that you just want to defend Gaijin’s bomber-hating and blunders. to me. :/
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I told you that it would not come, countless times.
Also, I explained why buffing Vautour and B-66B will do no damage in the meta.
B-66B or Vautour isn’t F-15E or Rafale, which can enjoy the sunshine of decompressing quickly.
They are nearly unarmed and can contribute nothing to victory.
With intended exaggeration for joking, B-66B will not be OP if it gets dropped down from 9.0 to 7.0
Because it can’t win on its own, thanks to the passiveness of bombers.
In this rate of decompression which Gaijin only focuses on top of top ranks
Your ideal solution will take century to reach 9.0BR radius.
With NO OFFENCE, I can call your solution nothing but ‘a daydream’.
1- Gaijin will not decompress 9.0. Consider recompression in the 10.0-11.0 range, thanks to F-5C crybabies.
2- Even if Gaijin tries to decompress on 9.0, at this rate, it will take FOREVER to take effect.
3- And B-66B can’t wait that long. It is already DOA and worthless, and nearly nobody plays it.
I really wonder why you are parroting your decompression and why I am parroting why it is wrong.
Since September until today.
EDIT: I AM WELL AWARE OF THIS FALSE FLAGGING.
And getting tired of censoring counterclaim by flagging.
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The issue with calling a solution a “daydream” on the basis of time, that argument is applied to yours as well.
Also I’m pretty sure 4 B-66s could ticket drain an entire 7.0 match before any 4 7.0s could [including the A-2D].
Speculating on what Gaijin will do only causes issues for yourself.
Your friend might yell at you tomorrow, that doesn’t mean you avoid him.
You should push for good irrelevant of your fears.
Your post is arguing against fixing the B-66 by shutting down good ideas of decompression.
I’ve seen people get called Gaijin shills over less.
It’s sad to see so many posts dismissing decompression as a solution.
Edit:
Since 2021, ground has decompressed by 2.7, and air by the same or more.
People were pushing for decompression and it happened. Why would anyone stop here?
i love seeing people to say that MiG’s or anything can’t catch a bomber (@AlvisWisla) but a little reminder is needed i see:
B-66B : 1048km/h (max speed at flight level) 1098km/h (Max IAS - max speed the frame can endure)
the B-66B max IAS is beaten by (8.3/8.7 or 9.0, when there is no capable 8.3/8.7):
- F-86 F2 & F25 & F30 & F40 : 1106km/h (max flight level) / 1170 km/h (Max IAS)
- A-4B : 1167km/h (Max IAS)
- FJ-4B : 1166km/h (Max IAS)
- CL13A Mk5 : 1114 km/h (max flight level) / 1170km/h (Max IAS)
- G.91R/3 : 1128 km/h (Max IAS)
- MiG-15bis / J-2 : 1132km/h (Max IAS)
- MiG-17A / J-4 / Lim-5p / MiG-17PF : 1114 km/h (max flight level) / 1150km/h (Max IAS)
- Hunter F.1 : 1108 km/h (max flight level) / 1193km/h (Max IAS)
- Scimitar : 1163 km/h (max flight level) / 1322km/h (Max IAS)
- Swift F7: 1167km/h (max IAS)
- F-86K : 1111 km/h (max flight level) / 1187km/h (Max IAS)
- CL13 Mk4 : 1118km/h (Max IAS)
- Mystère IVA : 1109 km/h (max flight level) / 1166km/h (Max IAS)
- Super Mystère B2 / Sambad: 1199 km/h (max flight level) / 1265km/h (Max IAS)
- MD.452 IIA & IIC : 1108km/h (Max IAS)
- J-29F : 1102km/h (Max IAS)
- A-4E Early (M) : 1167km/h (Max IAS)
- SO.4050 Vautour IIN : 1107 km/h (max flight level) / 1166km/h (Max IAS)
Special Note: CL13 mk4 max flight level speed is 5km/h under the B-66B Max IAS
So just for @AlvisWisla to know: Most 8.3/8.7 are able to catch B-66B
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Fair, buffing her down isn’t guaranteed as same as decompression does.
But it won’t change your decompression idea is also a daydream.
Gaijin usually does decompression in an annual event, when they add a new goddamn top-rank jet which breaks meta. And most of the decompression only takes effect in the top tier.
It WILL TAKE FOREVER to reach that decompression gives sunshine to 9.0-9.3.
Direct buff down to 8.7 is the only way to keep her alive.
Can’t you understand what intended exaggeration means?
Hell no, it is just basic science.
For example, AFAIK, F-104A/C remained 9.3BR at least since August 2023.
And STILL remains 9.3BR(Well, effectiveness itself got weakened due to FM nerf though.) along with all other 9.3BR supersonic jets like Lightnings.
IF Gaijin is really interested in decompressing the whole BR apart, Yak-28B and Su-7B series wouldn’t be 9.0BR at all.
(If we only see upside, Yak-28B and Su-7B being 9.0BR sounds plausible due to compression created by missile-carrying supersonics such as F-104/F-100/Lightning.)
Admit that your decompression plan will take a century.
9.3BR supersonic jets, which stayed for years, created another compression.
Such as the Buffed F-86A-5/MiG-15, down from 8.3 to 8.0, and being the same BR as the historically inferior Meteor and Vampire.
Gaijin don’t give a damn about 8.0-9.3 because that radius is DEAD. And nearly nobody buys premium jets for that BR radius.
They are just concerned about the new rank 8 premiums and decompression about Rafale.
If my friend yells at me today and calls 999 to swat me to vengeance, then THAT might mean I avoid him.
No? My post is arguing against 'keep the B-66 dead by ceasing the good idea of buffing it down as CPR.
I DIDN’T DISMISS DECOMPRESSION AS A SOLUTION.
I told why IT CAN’T WORK to B-66B.
Just like taking Tylenol is a good way to deal with pain, but Cats can’t deal with pain by taking Tylenol.
B-66B is already suffering hard in the current meta; so if we wait for decompression, which will take centuries to take effect on 9.0BR, it will be no more than letting her die in an ambulance.
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You do realize I’ve stated things in your post, correct? I’ve agreed with you before your post was even made.
You just have a couple errors despite the agreement we have.
The top speed of B-66B is mach 0.95.
This is 1102kph, and isn’t even the top speed.
It was just the speed at the island I chose to use as the measure of distance.
TWR is also an indicator for acceleration, but so is drag, and in reality test flights using OBS and a lot of recording is what’s needed there.
All of this is proof of why decompression is needed at 9.3.
you’re missing the point,… but since you don’t wanna aknowledge it,…
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IAS Speed is far different from SPD in Warthunder,…
you’re actual IAS speed is 985km/h - under most vehicules at same altitudes
Wing limit speed doesn’t matter, because it’s the ratio of mass drag and thrust that matters for maximum speeds in-game.
To put this in perspective, LIM-5P goes mach 0.95 - 0.96 at top speed, despite its wing limit being higher.
When it comes to bomber, when you’re in a gun fighter you need one of two things: Speed or climb.
If you have AIM-9Bs you need positioning but can be same speed or a bit slower if your merge is good [F-104s have died to many AIM-9Bs from subsonic fighters due to their poor paths].
Of course, the latter is countered with good paths.
The former… less so. This is how you get B-17s being food to Spitfires and BF-109s.
In this case B-66 being food to F-100s, 104s, etc. Though they have missiles on top of their speed.
The reason I became successful in jet bombing was because I think like an interceptor at all times.
I force head-ons on aircraft with rear-aspect only missiles that I am the same or greater speed of.
I go on routes I believe have the lowest chance of having an interceptor to begin with.
And usually, by the time I am spotted, my bombs are gone and I’m already RTB.
you’re forgetting that maps aren’t unlimited - because of that climbing higher than the B-66B then diving to reach higher speed than B-66B is possible.
also you can block it’s access to airfield (in or out) and make it useless
therefore, IAS speed matters in both parts.
No replies from the last debate. And 3 days have passed.
So, can I consider your silence as
1- Supporting the feeding Tyrenol named ‘decompression’ to the Cat named ‘B-66B’?
2- Because of your logical consistency?
3- And you want to sacrifice B-66B for your consistency.
Can I?
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