Taking into account both the BR change for many post-Second World War aircraft and the changes in bomber mechanics, the presence of the Boeing B-52H ‘Stratofortress’ and Tupolev Tu-95M ‘Bear’ strategic bombers creates a considerable imbalance in both arcade and realistic naval battles.
Despite having restricted the use of several aircraft in naval battles – some of which are even older than the B-52 and the Tu-95 – these two models can still be deployed. This, combined with their recent improvement in durability, poses a major problem, as even at low altitude they are capable of withstanding huge numbers of bullets and even evading missiles fired by missile destroyers such as the Bravy or those of the Charles F Adams class.
I hope that the BR will be adjusted in future updates to 9.3 in naval battles…
Will never happen. Reason, in order for them to stay out of naval, naval will have to stop progression. That will not happen.
All they carry is dumb bombs…
If people can take out bombers at lower BRs, they can take out more advanced dumb bombers with more advanced ships.
he177 is literally more dangerous with fitz x than b52 with just dumb bombs, he’s jumping at ghosts
I am sure I wont have any problem with Braviy to oneshot them if I will aim with missile on fontal part of plane where is pilot.
How does a large bomber out duke a +10.3 BR equivalent SAM/tandem fuse AShM? I mean maybe a Fasta-2M but not something like a 9M33, V-600P, RIM-24A or Nettuno.
Personally I’m more annoyed at the devs for their August BR change for all jet bomber aircraft that went down in BR for GF to 7.3 but they added a last minute addition to the chabge for NF seeing all TT jet bombers & aircraft that carried HC bombs sent up in BR to 9.3, also presented are bombers placed at 9.3 when Separated BR’s became a thing. Meanwhile these two remain comfortably at their respected BR’s.
Still sometimes support ships are needed for a fleet & in WT that’s no difference, if your ship isn’t soviet, british or american, then stick close to those players or bring in other lower BR vessels that can actively fight these bombers without issues, if they’re dodging these missiles (generally shocked if true), then switch to your guns, lock the target by radar & fire HE-VT ammunition at such aircraft or your LAA batteries, many vessels be it from 3.0 - 6.7 BR are fitted with such equipment & weaponry which will make short work of these bomber aircraft (if they can dodge a missile, they’ll surely not be able to dodge a hail of radar guided gunfire).
From observing these aircraft in the past, they often dive in low to hit a target easier, or in rare cases stay high & level but with less accuracy to a turning target. I personally don’t think dumb bomb aircraft are that bad, hell I don’t think guided munitions are either (especially bombs since you basically need to be in AA range already), there’s scarier munitions below this BR even as low as 2.3 BR. A He 111 H-6 & He 177 A-3 & A-5 are capable of using the PC-1400, the He 177 A-5 also has the Hs 293 & the Ki-48-II is able to use the only aerial dropped AShM in game Ki-148… meanwhile we can’t even dropped the bloody 45-54VT anymore (parachute dropped aerial torpedo, Tu-14T)…
Instead of this devs should tune early jets BR down in naval to counter and intercept bombers. And add jet bombers for everyone back.
Current top-tier BBs for some nations are already the BEST ship that was laid down. Progression has already basically stopped.
Even modern ships with heavy ASM won’t be able to inflict reasonable amount of damage to something like Soyuz. Unless Gaijin decides to use nuclear ASMs
You missed, the point of this thread, didn’t you?
The first step is to just buff top tier AA.
HMS Vanguard for example is missing most of her AA ability (like missing radar, and related equipment) and a load of ships missing HE-VT
After that’s just add more SAM ships
since when soviet ships have had proper AA, least on hi tier naval… ( Answer they dont)
Stalingrad have decent angry 45mm quad mounts and 130mm with proximity fuse + lots of 25mm. Krondshtadt have lots of 37mm + timed universal 100mm and timed 152 mm if you stupid enough to fly low.
In fact almost all 7.7+ ships in all trees have decent amount of AA and timed/proximity unversal guns, not the level of American but more than enough to catch a single bomber. It’s not about the number but how you use it.
Staling is only viable option, actually having good AA. I forgot it exists, since I grinded that line before it was added.
Khronstad AA sucks hard.
Looks nice on paper, but firing arc’s and targeting speed is lacking.
Arc, got volume but horrible ballistics , and lacking Radar.
Time fuzes are more or less like a joke.
Usually flying has ended in USA or Japan vessels , what truly dominate AA on top tier.
And I bet quite rare use secondarys as AA, especially when they got very limited fire arc , and slow to aim.
Then play other nations to understand that they not better. Besides that there is not only RB in game.
Jesus, wtf are you trying to prove in that screenshot?
total amount of air kills, what can be J outing?
Yes, and there is also players who dont play arcade on top tier at all…
Or arcade at all.
And I could bet I play more Hi tier naval
There’s a reason why I usually play top tier naval with friends, either 2 sovetsky and iowa or iowa, sovetsky and yamato. Iowa and yamato keeps sky clear like no other
Hmm, I must apologise than, it has been some time since I’ve used high BR soviet capital ship types & just checked the wiki for ammunition types for secondary HAA armament.
I guess the Project 82 Battlecruiser, Stalingrad is really your only option for HE-VT armed HAA batteries, I was under the impression that the Project 69 Heavy Cruiser, Kronshtadt & I guess Sevastopol along with the Project 23 Battleship Sovetsky Soyuz had HE-VT ammunition for their 100 mm/56 B-34 cannons had HE-VT ammunition available. I would’ve thought that these cannons would have these shells (probably also forgetting from how long ago I used the Kronshtadt), these cannons are already in game for longer with the Project 50 Sentry Ships & more recently the Project 53 Minesweeper (which technically has an older version of these cannons from my understanding, although in game rated as the same) with the latter ships carrying said HE-VT ammunition.
Furthermore, I was under the impression that the Revenge class Super Dreadnought Battleship 4"/45 QF Mk. XVI cannons were equipped with British HE-VT ammunition since they’re the same cannons off of many british designs. (I guess Morvarn was right on the Nelson & Warspite not having the ammunition as well, what the hell is with the constant inconsistencies that are somehow consistent with gaijins poor modelling of ships?
In any case, I guess that leaves the British & Americans for HE-VT armed HAA batteries, with the soviets lagging behind with just the one Battlecruiser (Which I will have soon ish), ahh well LAA, HAA, & the heaviest of HAA are still all things for other nations which depending ship to ship can be helped by radar guidance.
Ships with anti-ship and anti-air auxiliary gun divided doesn’t get HE-VT for now.
Kronshtadt, Sevastopol, Soyuz, Nelson, Rodney, Texas, Arizona none of them
They all got HE-TF
Nelson/Rodney, we arent sure about for its Tertiary guns, but Renown and Warspite 100%. (Hoods guns could fire them, but she sank before they entered service). Revenge-Class im also not sure about, but its likely they did, at least any added 1942 onwards fits.
Iirc, back when Renown was added and we argued like hell for HE-VT to be added to it, especially given how weak it was, its was stated it was a balancing decision. Good chance that its the same here as well.
Bug report from HMS Warspite regarding HE-VT
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/lDNtGtaJVmYl
The reason given is just “Developers don’t plan to add these shells to HMS Warspite.”
So its not a matter of historical accuracy
didn’t the A-4E Early get moved specifically out of being accessible for Naval?
I say lemme have my A-4E or ditch the B-52.
also how is it that every nation doesn’t have a SAM destroyer yet?
Havin f&f bombs, vs dumb bombs on jesus big bomber are quite different