But we didnt ?
So Russian bias once again (shadow buffing Russia by not adding it) ?
Like when they add basket and fcs for nato MBTs, but not for russians ?
What is russian bias although, is a 9000kg bomb in the russian bomber VS ridiculous tiny bombs in the american bomber.
How? Does that mean the lancaster having the 12,000lb bomb mean there’s such a thing at british bias at that br?
As other’s have stated, FAB-9000 is blatantly worse than FAB-5000, and I mind you call them “ridiculous tiny bombs” all you want to try and peddle some silly narrative but you get FAR more than Tu-95 could ever dream of.
Russian bias is when nato does not have the same bad bombs on a bomber that is slower and has worse payload options. Regardless, anyone using the bomb in GRB will be less effective than a sabre (lower BR), IL-28 (much lower BR+it has a 3000kg bomb), or even an Sk-60b (a 7.0).
That’s not how heat signatures work. If it’s high enough to get a lock 100 KM away, do you really thing flares will do much?
8.3 still see those a lot, and it’s in prime gepard territory. It also has to deal with the M247 (which will be incredibly power against any bomber), unlike the B-52.
Objectively false.
Carpet bombing is not useless.
Moving the goalposts.
It will not, it will get shot down very quickly. There are many planes that will/are much more effective than it at, or below 8.3.
You aren’t wasting 5+ minutes to climb high, especially since you’ll be easy for fighters to shoot down.
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No silly, it’s only bad if Russia has unique capabilities (even if they suck). Everyone knows that Russia will only be balanced if every single thing they have is abysmal /s
America could’ve gotten a B-52H (Post-91) and they’d still somehow try to say that russian bias exists when comparing it to Tu-95M, I don’t get how people like that function unless it’s expressly to ragebait.
Noo the russian missile are bigger and supersonic, the american missiles are just peashoters it doesnt matter if you can load 10x more, nafo doesnt have an equivalent
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(It’s a funny thing because B-52H Pre and post 91 can get ALCMs, while Tu-95M simply cannot at all.)
Either way, genuinely cannot believe he’s being legit, 99.9999% he’s just trying to ragebait.
from what I’ve seen that’s what they only do.
that is slower
“Slower bomber”, no. They’re both fat, they’re both going more or less at the same speed. They’re both most likely going to be shot down anyway, and it’s not the little difference of speed that’s gonna make any difference in that mater.
and has worse payload options
Again, read the post man.
That’s not how heat signatures work. If it’s high enough to get a lock 100 KM away, do you really thing flares will do much?
Yes. This is why flares have been invented in the first place.
It also has to deal with the M247
If very high in the skies, the M247 won’t do anything.
8.3 still see those a lot
No. Nothing compared to the 8.7 american bomber.
8.7 bomber will face Ozelot + Gepard 1A2 + Rapier + SIDAM 25 (Mistral) + Roland 1 + Lvrbv 701, on top of all the other 9.3 ir missiles SPAAs, and other gun-only spaas.
They conveniently put the russian bomber at 8.3, so it won’t have to face all of these (they always do that : they artificially underBR russian stuff compared to other NATO stuff, and it makes them competitive)
Carpet bombing is not useless.
When only 2 out of your 18 bombs dropped during the carpet bombing hit a target, yes, it is completely useless. Especially in GRB, where you have to be very precise.
It will not, it will get shot down very quickly. There are many planes that will/are much more effective than it at, or below 8.3.
Yes yes it’s well known, in every game there is always a dude with a jet ready to go in order to intercept bombers.
Bombers never pass. Especially at the end of the game, when nobody’s in the game anymore, and the bomber is free to do whatever it wants.
Ridiculous man.
You aren’t wasting 5+ minutes to climb high, especially since you’ll be easy for fighters to shoot down.
YOU aren’t wasting +5 minutes to climb ?? For +9 kills in 1 single bomb, I will.
So it’s not disturbing for your to talk about all the unique nato capabilities that indeed suck ?
spikes ?
jagms ?
nato mbt armors ?
nato repair their tracks and engine first, while russia their breech and cannon first ?
lack of best apfsds ?
bushmaster ? bad ifvs in general ?
nato autoloaders get hit, the tank cannot shoot anymore ? while russian mbts can ?
nato atgm launchers cannot be launched on the move ?
nato atgm launchers need to be deployed first ?
not exhaustive list ?
Then what are you complaining about? The Tu-95 is not top top tier either so it is also irrelevant.
You also have 2 4000lb bombs on the Canberra at 8.3 with around 1800kg of explosive filler each, the B-66 at 9.0 with 4x 3000 lb bombs with 900kg filler each both of which total nearly the same explosive mass as the FAB-9000.
But if that’s not good enough for you feel free to write up a suggestion for the C-130 with the BLU-82/B 15000lber or something it would be more productive than complaining about USA bombs in a thread about a COUNTER MEASURES bug.
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America could’ve gotten a B-52H (Post-91)
But they DIDN’T ???
Why are you trying to make up false stuff man lmao. All NATO has atm, is a bad b52 bomber compared to the russian’s, and spike atgms that don’t even work properly (for years now) ??
idk head on with mig 25 like 10 miles out i was spamming the IRST wouldnt lock and had all my missiles where one flared so MIG-25 is useless in this mode B52 seems to have super small heat sig
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You will not lock flares, and playing any amount of air RB will show you that that isn’t the case. I’ve had missiles ignore flares from hot planes like Harriers, F-111s, and F-14s before. Something 2-4x as hot will not be able to flare missiles easily at all.
Yes they are fat, but the B-52 is like 100kmh faster and has a higher rip speed.
Genuinely can not be bothered
Flares would work IRL because heat signatures aren’t based off of thrust, unlike in WT. With how much thrust the Tu-95 has, it will have a hard time flaring missiles.
Do you know what BRs 8.3 can face?
cause its worse
The 9000kg bomb will not be very good because all large bombs have been nerfed by a decent bit.
Not bombers, but it’s rare for only 1 team to have planes up at any BR. And if a bomber is known to be there, I guarantee someone will spawn to intercept it.
You will not achieve that.
America could’ve gotten a B-52H (Post-91)
Russia could’ve gotten a Tu-95MS/MSM, but they DIDN’T!??!?!??!?!??
simple reason is they don’t need it, B-52H and Tu-95M are pretty reasonable competitors.
Dare I even think to say that Tu-95M kind of has the short end of the stick when it comes to weaponry it could get.
Wanting a balanced and fair game for every nation is coping now ?
You can call it whatever you like but simply expecting everyone to have equal options to everything that gets added is simply setting yourself up for failure.
I won’t argue with you and say something stupid like “Russian bias” or at least favorability doesn’t exist to some degree, but it simply doesn’t with some things you’ve said above.
Considering the fact B-52H doesn’t have large bombs within the 3000-9000kg range is “Russian bias” is simply foolish, as any kind of equal or alternative simply doesn’t exist.
Like would you call the fact that Gripen cannot carry Anti-Radiation munitions (henceforth wouldn’t get them in game) as bias towards nations who can carry ARMs? Such logic is just not well… logical.
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Then what are you complaining about? The Tu-95 is not top top tier either so it is also irrelevant.
The TU-95 is “top tier”. What I call top tier is 8.0-12.0. I play 8.0. So I’m complaining about it.
of which total nearly the same explosive mass as the FAB-9000.
Again, you didn’t read my precedent, long, post.
It DOESN’T MATER if you have an overall heavier payload, as explained here :
If you throw 1363738399kg of TNT thanks to 16464439334844568 bombs while 85% of them actually miss their target (because it is what happens when you carpet bomb, the large majority of your bombs won’t hit anything) → your 1363738399kg of TNT actually becomes 5kg of usefull TNT.
As it is nearly impossible to be accurate when horizontally moving the bomber’s sight while bombing, it will actually require multiple runs to “”“accuratly”“” drop all your bombs, on as many targets as you can. And you will most likely get shot before that happens. So don’t even think about doing multiple carpet bombings as well.
The russian bomber is more easy to use and straightforward. 1 big bomb dropped, everyone die in a large radius, lots of kills, back to the base. No miss, no multiple runs, no death.
Read the post man. It is always better to have 1 big bomb than multiple smaller bombs, for all the reasons explained up there.
But if that’s not good enough for you feel free to write up a suggestion for the C-130 with the BLU-82/B 15000lber or something it would be more productive than complaining about USA bombs in a thread
They don’t listen to NATO suggestions.
This thread is from August 2023. Did we get another LAV since then ? No.
Russia got their BMPT + Pantsir SM-SV + Su-30MK2 AMV almost in the same week I feel like.
Rmember that thread pointing out how bugged the spike atgms are ? It’s been years, they’re still not fixed.
When it is Russia, it’s fast. When it comes to NATO, everything’s slow.
Because the post 91 B-52H would have no gun turret, and Gaijin presumably wanted it to have a gun turret for this event. Plus it leaves a more modern B-52H available to add as a tech tree vehicle if Gaijin want to proceed with adding strategic bombers.
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No more argument ? Ad hominems now ?
Do you know I’m not english native ? I speak 3 languages, do you ?
Yes they are fat, but the B-52 is like 100kmh faster and has a higher rip speed.
Yes yes, and it’s that that is gonna save it from all the 9.7 + 9.3 + 8.3 spaas + jets.
Ridiculous man. They’re both dead (but b52 more dead than the russian’s, don’t forget. 8.7 worse than 8.3).
Genuinely can not be bothered
Conveniently
Do you know what BRs 8.3 can face?
Yes, it can face uptiers up to 25% of the ennemy team (4 players), aka 4 players will potentiatly take a 9.3 spaa against it. B52 can face 4 9.7 spaas.
cause its worse
No.
The 9000kg bomb will not be very good because all large bombs have been nerfed by a decent bit.
No. It will surely destroy multiple targets at once, in the 34m radius.
but it’s rare
No, it’s not rare. I’ve had tons of games without CAS, or with CAS in only 1 team.
Wtf. No, the bomber won’t get intercepted every time, and when this is the case, the dmg will be huge.
You will not achieve that.
Well known, the Pe-8 didn’t achieve that neither.
Russia could’ve gotten a Tu-95MS/MSM, but they DIDN’T!??!?!??!?!??
That’s your argument ?? American didn’t get it, that’s a fact ? What’s your point ?
simple reason is they don’t need it, B-52H and Tu-95M are pretty reasonable competitors.
No.
Dare I even think to say that Tu-95M kind of has the short end of the stick when it comes to weaponry it could get.
Russian mains tend to say their stuff is garbage, and need more buffs. Always more buffs.
You can call it whatever you like but simply expecting everyone to have equal options to everything that gets added is simply setting yourself up for failure.
I won’t argue with you and say something stupid like “Russian bias” or at least favorability doesn’t exist to some degree
So we’re ok with the fact the game is NOT balanced, and that some nations will just dominate more than the other ?
That, firstly, is outraging for a “”“PvP”“” game. Secondly, there is something called selective realism, because it is not true the different equipments are modeled according to how they are IRL.
NATO spike ATGMs are broken, russian ERAs/side armor in general eat darts, russian autoloaders eat darts, NATO armor MBTs are weak, AH-64E is not capable of locking and firing all its missiles at once, and so much more.
Stuff are well modeled for Russia, not for the rest of the nations.
Because they didn’t have it in real life…
It has been shown that the UTAS sight provides automatic lead calculation, but requires manual tracking.
That’s the only thing you picked up from the list to try to contradict me ? lmao
What about the other stuff.
And knowing Gaijin, I don’t trust what you’re telling me rn. Every other army having the irst ability while the sweedish can’t, taking in consideration how rich they are, is sus.
That’s your argument ?? American didn’t get it, that’s a fact ? What’s your point ?
America didn’t get it’s upgraded bomber, nor did Russia. That’s all.
No.
Why don’t you think so? B-52H’s payload is 7000kg heavier than Tu-95M’s max, I could understand maybe the argument of the fact Tu-95M having more turrets but that’s something that quite literally cannot be fixed with B-52H.
Russian mains tend to say their stuff is garbage, and need more buffs. Always more buffs.
Where did I say Tu-95M was garbage? All I said that compared to B-52H, Tu-95M lacks potential growth. Where B-52H can receive AGM-86C CALCM, Tu-95M cannot receive anything.
So we’re ok with the fact the game is NOT balanced, and that some nations will just dominate more than the other ?
No PVP game is “balanced” there will always be better things than others, and for a game like WT that’s extremely apparent, you can only make it “so balanced” to a point before you start having everyone have the same thing with no uniqueness and complete uniformity.
What I’m saying is not that it SHOULDN’T be balanced, but that simply expecting everyone to be equals at every aspect is not feasible.
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