After changing GRB BR, most of time AV-8B NA play against top supersonic fighters with fox3 or ID fox 1, and with current “antipode” you have zero chances, not even to escape. Also after GRB BR changes it is 4 of 5 sessions we are downtiered, there lots of J10A, JAS39, SU27, MIG29G.
I sugest: change AGM-65G to AGM-65D and lower br.
I beleave it will lower planes potenshial as strike plane, but it gives it chance to survive against AA fighter planes in GRB.
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Harrier Gr7 was always 12.0 (since split BRs) with AGM-65Ds and the AV-8B(NA) has the advantage of a better Tpod. So I doubt even that change would be enough. Would probably need the total removal of AGM-65s to get a lower BR and even then only maybe 11.3 ish? Consider the ground line up is mostly 11.7 or 12.0 anyway, the BR of the CAS doesnt really change much
GR7 4x AGM-65G + AIM9M
And?
Which is why its at 12.0.
Was 11.7 with 9Ls before the split BRs
Is also limited to a gen 1 tpod.
11.7 is exactly where I would place the AV-8B(NA) relative to the Harrier Gr7 or AV-8B+
(also, Gr7 should have 6x AGM-65s and the TIALD should be Gen 2)
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Currently GR7 have much advantage in GRB because it have AIM9M, and both plane most of sessions play against top jets anyway, you disagree?
Its a minimal advantage considering the competition all have radars and equal or better AAMs.
Considering the placement should be more about how the aircraft fairs at taking out tanks and less about how well it can dogfight anyway. 11.7 is the lowest it should go. The main reason I consider the Gr7 at 12.0 is not the Aim-9M but because it can carry 4x AGM-65s and 2x GBUs and has slightly better better CM count with MAWS.
Though the Gr7 needs buffs.
With the lack of effective top tier SPAA for most nations, CAP becomes the main defence unfortunately, and quite frankly. CAS shouldnt be able to hard counter CAP.
I also really dont want to have to try and defend against an AV-8B(NA) sat at high alt, dropping 10x GBUs with the Stormer HVM at 11.3, Though I will likely have to in a full uptier in the 10.7 line-up
Considering most of the US line-up is at 11.7/12.0 anyway, including the Click-bait. Its kinda irrelevant for most people I guess
Well, what i can surely agree with u is that it lack of good SPAA for some nation, typical situation when Su27 spam fox3 on AV8B NA from sky, undercover of S1, but US SPAA either absent or ineffective (blind or 12+km)
All i know that it wrong and am definitely paid 70$ not for being punching bag.
Learn to fly it in Air Sim. Its a tad OP in that gamemode at the moment
Unironically just toss the 65Gs and give me Ds and I would be happy.
The D’s warhead is just so much better now its not even a contest.
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It would play almost identically with 65D’s or 65G’s. Its not going to lower its BR.
im thinking the same thing as you (which is interesting that they increase the AV-8B (NA) BR with a comment with 20 votes, but dont change the 2S38 BR with 200 votes)
id say keep 11.7 (GRB) but give it 9Ms, bc yeah, currently its impossible to defend it self against other well better jets.
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Votes don’t change whether it was undertiered or not, the votes are only for visibility if there’s anything they forgot.
Wait, maws? when the hell did they give my baby maws… Ill have to check this out.
Also, my two cents about this. If the av 8 has the same fm as the gr 7 then you shouldnt really be having trouble with super sonics, ircm missiles and arh missiles. The thing is a kite with a decent amount of flares/chaff, and the rwr iis perfect. You can notch missiles very easily, you can dog fight decently well against pretty much anything apart from an f16a, even with 9ls its grb so they dont give a diamond making them very effective if used correctly.
The harrier 2’s are an excellent air frame and from the sounds of it your better off than the gr 7 when it comes to ground ordinance anyway so it really shouldnt be based of air to air capability otherwise you would have a10s at 9.3 if given half the chance.
Also, this isnt a dig at you Morvan, just adding on to my first coment which was.
March update? iirc
BUT…
Its a C&P from the F-111A, not its proper PD MAWS, and the MAWS will trigger from flares dropped by the MAWS. So its a tad… buggy.
Yep, agreed. The amount of things i’ve forced low and slow (in Sim) just punished them for it, is funny.
The AV-8B has the advantage of more bombs, better TPOD and better gun (also more standard calibre CMs)
Gr7 has the advantage of 2 GBUs and 4 AGMs, or taking 4x AAMs with 4x AGM, more CMs but most are much weaker and the MAWS.
Its tough, but BR placement is about right I reckon
Were also forgetting baout the fact that the av 8 can get gps bombs, which are incredibly good in ground simply due to the fact you can drop em right above the target and not have to wrroy about your bombs actually acquiring the lock. It also helps most spaa player or “campers” (its a fully reasonable strat in a game like wt so using this term is a little hypocritical of me) dont move all that much.
Yeah, 10x JDAMs does look like a fun payload, but requires downtier or being paired with the soviets to be effective though.
Typical gameplay AV-8B NA after GRB BR rise (4 of 5 sessions are UPtiered). All those Superior fighter just chilling in RGB instead ARB, pretty cancerous in my opinion. Hope BVVD enjoying suffering of donators.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTF3e78QKFs
What does this change lmao
simply less damage on tank, less meet fox3
Gameplay AV-8B NA after GRB BR rise #2
