Even if it’s very out of date, it might still be possible we produced L64 for the AS1 at one point. Still can’t find anything else on the subject really.
They added the CRV block 2 as an event, there’s just no hope. Sep v3 will 100% be in the US TT as a premium meanwhile china out of all nations gets to have an abrams. Just amazing.
I do have some good news, as it isn’t the Block II but the demonstrator from Land 400 phase 2.
Which allows service variants like the Block II to still be TT.
2 Likes
I was gently trying to indicate that it is not that I only think it was that cut and paste bit 19 years out of date when it was published, but that it is largely bullshit. Or at least the Australian bits are.
"St Marys Facility
Filling and assembly of gun and mortar ammunition, bombs, grenades, mines, warheads, anti-tank rockets, pyrotechnic stores and related components including fuzes, cartridges, detonators and caps.
In addition to the manufacture of a wide range of propellants, the following ammunition is manufactured for armour and artillery applications:
76 mm L25A3 practice
76 mm L24A3 HE-T
105 mm TC800 canister (qv)
105 mm M1 HE
105 mm M60 white phosphorous
105 mm M314A2 illuminating
105 mm M84 smoke HC
105 mm practice
105 mm F1 blank
20 mm M55 practice
12.7 mm Ball F1.
Enquiries for products manufactured by ADI should be addressed to:
Chief General Manager, International Marketing Division, Australian Defence
Industries Ltd, Level 22, Plaza II, Cnr Grosvenor and Grafton Streets.
Bondi Junction. Sydney NSW 2022, Australia.
Telephone: (02) 365 9300 Fax: (02) 369 2404"
St. Marys ceased production of tank ammo in 1993, at which time they only appeared to be assembling 105mm Practice and TC800 for the L7. SAF Lithgow were making the Prac APDS, presumably ADI the TC800 Canister, St, Marys assembled these into the full cartridge. The idea that they were producing “the British 105mm L7 tank gun, along with the complete line of 105mm ammunition”, so not just the ammo but the gun itself is about as likely as where is says “it is likely Thales Australia will seek a licensing agreement for Rheinmetall’s line of 120mm ammunition.” … for 59 tanks? They must be insane.
The AS1 has been out of service for nearly 20 years now, even if super secret if there had been anything better than APDS for it, I’d kind of expect it to known by now. I could be wrong, but for APFSDS ammo for the AS1 I think you are looking for something which does not exist.
1 Like
The only other mention I’ve seen is this supposed transcript from another Janes article.
Between 1972 and 1973 Australia evaluated the M60A1
and the Leopard 1 MBTs and subsequently placed an order
with West Germany for the supply of90 Leopard 1 A3 MBTs,
six ARVs and five AVLBs; these were delivered to Australia
between 1976 and 1978. The Leopard 1 A3s of the Australian Army were delivered
with a number of changes including a Belgian SABCA fire control system, tropical kit, improved turret and trunnion bearings, modifications to the fire control system to enable
APFSDS rounds to be fired, improved combustion cleaners
and external stowage boxes on hull sides. A small quantity of
dozer blades were also ordered.
NZLAV (New Zealand Light Armored Vehicle) – Detailed Vehicle Breakdown
This post expands on the NZLAV already listed in the Australian & New Zealand Ground Forces Sub-Tree with detailed specifications, history, and gameplay justification.
Summary
Summary
The NZLAV (New Zealand Light Armored Vehicle) is an 8×8 wheeled infantry fighting vehicle based on the Canadian LAV III platform and operated by the New Zealand Army since the early 2000s. Armed with a 25 mm M242 Bushmaster autocannon and featuring high mobility, strong gun elevation, and modern optics, the NZLAV would be a suitable high-tier IFV addition to War Thunder. Its characteristics align well with existing Commonwealth ground force lineups, while also improving New Zealand representation in the game.
History
History
The NZLAV was acquired by the New Zealand Army to replace the ageing M113 APC fleet, forming the core of its mechanized combat capability. It is an eight-wheeled, highly mobile armoured vehicle capable of on- and off-road operation. A mid-mounted turret carries the primary armament of a 25 mm autocannon with coaxial and roof-mounted machine guns, as well as grenade dischargers. Up-armoured NZLAVs were deployed to Afghanistan, where they were credited with protecting personnel from IEDs and small arms fire. nzdf.mil.nz
The NZLAV fleet was partially reduced in size through surplus sales, with 22 units sold to the Chilean Navy/Marine Corps beginning in 2022. These vehicles continue to see service internationally. Army Recognition+1
Why it should be added to War Thunder
Why it should be added to War Thunder
- Provides a modern high-mobility IFV with distinct tactical playstyle
- Adds New Zealand representation, which is currently minimal in the game
- Complements the British/Commonwealth tech tree at high tier
- Autocannon and optics support engaging both ground and low-flying aerial targets
- Encourages wheeled vehicle tactics including rapid repositioning and reconnaissance
Technical Data
Technical Data
Specifications
- Crew: 3 (Commander, Gunner, Driver)
- Passengers: Up to 7 infantry personnel
- Length: ~6.98 m (standard LAV III)
- Width: ~2.7–2.83 m
- Height: ~2.8–2.87 m
- Weight: ~19–21 t depending on configuration
- Engine: Caterpillar 3126 HEUI diesel (~350 hp)
- Suspension: 8×8 wheeled with hydropneumatic system
- Max Speed: ~100 km/h
- Range: ~450–600 km Army Recognition+1
Armor
Armor
- Welded steel hull with modular protection
- Protection against small-arms fire; kits available for increased resistance to heavier calibers
- Reinforced undercarriage for improved mine protection
- NBC protection and automatic fire suppression systems Army Recognition
Fire Control and Armament
Fire Control and Armament
- Main Armament: 1 × 25 mm M242 Bushmaster autocannon
- Ammunition Types: APDS, HE (standard)
- Secondary Armament: Coaxial and roof-mounted 7.62 mm machine guns
- Turret Traverse: 360°
- Gun Elevation: +60° / −8°
- Additional: Smoke/HE grenade launchers for self-defense nzdf.mil.nz+1
In-Game Role
In-Game Role
The NZLAV would serve as a high-tier wheeled IFV, emphasizing speed, positioning, and effective use of its autocannon. It would be particularly suited for reconnaissance, flank support, and rapid objective capture, while its gun elevation makes it more capable against aerial threats than many comparable in-game vehicles.
Sources
Sources
Official & Reference
- NZLAV official equipment page — New Zealand Defense Force (NZLAV description, armament, deployment) NZLAV – NZDF equipment page
- NZDF sale of vehicles to Chile (fleet history) Twenty‑two Light Armoured Vehicles sold to Chilean Navy – NZDF
- Army Recognition reporting on NZLAV deliveries & specs Canada completes delivery of NZLAV 8×8 to Chile – ArmyRecognition
- English Wikipedia: LAV III (context on origin, service, and New Zealand fleet) LAV III – Wikipedia (en)
If I wanted to read what ChatGPT has to say about the NZLAV I could just ask it myself, no?
3 Likes
yes it was written by Chat GPT, but i was the one who gathered all the information and corrected any mistakes made by the Ai. with that said I am sorry for using Ai.
To round out the vehicle numbers you could also allow the use of allied vehicles - such as UK or US
I have a couple like that already, see M108 and Crusader. What others did you have in mind?
Thanks to @BSpiel8-live I have been able to add a rank 4 SPAA to the TT, a version of our Perentie LRPV. A nice addition to get one of our SASR vehicles in there.
3 Likes
Would be really cool as a sub tree, but I think a common wealth teach tree would be a great idea too.
3 Likes
Lol, with how much room each nation would be allowed exactly.
It wouldn’t be any differnt form the pre-C&P sub-tree, now just with 56 nations to pick from.
1 Like
I’d really like to see the M113 MRV and FSV added to give greater depth to the Australian options.
Plus I am suprised that the ASLAV hasn’t made an appearance yet but the Boxer has…
Left field suggestion - they could add the 106RCL jeep as an AARMD option.
My final comment is - I am really annoyed that I have the Boxer CRV and the M1 AIM both flagged as Australian BUT I can’t field them together. That really has to be fixed (I know it would create issues with Nation tech trees but thats for them to work out).
2 Likes
Wow! This is really cool, I’ve been really into making an ANZAC subtree. I made this commonwealth ground forces tech tree a while ago (here) - I have worked on an air forces version on and off… but never completed it. Maybe one day! But a “Commonwealth” tree would be absolutely enormous (which isn’t a bad thing), and it is just me doing it. At the start of this year I started working on suggesting a smaller ANZAC subtree since - well, I am Australian - but it’s awesome you beat me to it. Here’s what I came up with:
Helicopters
Some of those CAC planes were just projects… I’m abroad rn, so I don’t have access to the book I got them from (written by Mr. J. A. Vella, who worked for CAC) so I can’t say atm how “real” they became - all of them were “built” in a sense, as in, they were real projects CAC pursued at the bare minimum built in models and mockups. Some others are what I’ve put together from my own research - technically the AC 3 built by the (now-defunct) Melbourne Tank Museum counts as a production-series AC 3 Thunderbolt, since, they did build it using real AC-series parts to the standard of the Production Model, so- it doesn’t matter if they did it in the 90s, it still counts imo. Better late than never.
I haven’t gotten around to putting battle ratings for some of them. It’s cool nonetheless to see someone else suggest this.
Where did you find M16 Multiple Gun Motor Carriage? I thought I saw once many many years ago a mention of NZ using some. But ultimately I couldn’t find any evidence of ANZACs using them anywhere. Some confusion may have arisen from USA forces creating a 40mm Bofors versions from spares in Australia during WW2.
I had the same experience. I swear I’ve seen it mentioned before that NZ used them in the pacific, but I haven’t found any sources to confirm that. It seems like it was never used formally, but was “used” by “New Zealand” as part of the US-Commonwealth allied campaign against Japan. As in, it’s not unlikely that this or that unit got their hands on one for a short time. In either case, the UK could get it, Britain got two in 1946 according to Wikipedia(‘s source: HyperWar: Lend-Lease Shipments, World War II (Ordnance))