Hard to make a title for what i want say there. I’m here because it is one of the thing who make me angry every day, it is the battle rates of many Attacker Planes in Air Rb and Air SIM. Especially many chineese and Mirage 2000D+RMV too!
Why an attacker who have only 2 magic 2 (and no canon when stock!) + a single canon mounted as a pod, so =big decrease of maniability who are 11.7 in Ground RB are 12.3 in Air Rb and Air Sim? Same for RMV who are 12.0 and pushed to 12.7 where he is worst than previous 2000D with canon mounted in the side? Mirage F1 was 11.7 now 12.0 he have magic 2 + 530 +radar etc…so why??? Why many planes who can CAS from far and have BVR capacities are lower than them?! Take the F4E who are now 10.7 in Air Sim!! He can easily GBu TV/Maverick from 18km + Sparrow2E. Now he is same Br as F4C and F5C, F8E etc…Even Mirage 3E are 11.0! Oh my god…
And the best bullshit on the cake is: why Hunters planes are lower in Tank battles because they are weak for CAS(stupid idea imo! ANd thx fight vs fox3 jet with a Jaguar IS or any 11.0/11.3 planes!). So why the opposite is not valid? Why Attacker who are crap in air Battles must have a SOoo Higher Br than in Ground RB??!!
Take perfect exemple like JH7 who have no irccm missiles and big, or the Worst bullshit of ALL time of Gaijni is the BR of Q5 series inAir simulation lol!! go look yourselves, unbelievable!! I report in Bug but of course= this is not an issues etc…
I want this words come to Gaijin because its the time to change that. Many years its like this and you must let them and choose something else because of bad decisions of Gaijin employs. I want grind and play my RMV in Sim because in Air RB its impossible, same things, i must face F14/F16 or Mig 29/Yak141 if i wait the best Matchmaking days. With no radar and 2 magic 2…GG Gaijin!
They are sort of worthless even in ARB, cause it is always too slow to go for bases and the lock up doesn’t help in dog fights. Also for A5C it doesn’t help to be at 10.7 with J7D, where it is virtually worse in all aspects, including the ability to bomb a base.
You can get mad,… yet the system of Balance is done and work as following :
In-game result, and abilities
As such, the Ground BR and the Air BR are today 2 different thing:
Ground Mode - is based on Air to Ground ability and results
Air Mode - is based on Air to Air ability and results
If an aircraft have really high results it will automatically go up in BR in the game mode it have those.
The only exception will be around certain Weapons capabilities (considering your exemple Mirage 2000D RMV, having Magic-2 + HMD = it’s BR)
In game today, an aircraft considered Attacker is not compared to aircraft considered as Fighters or Bomber (when it is possible)
So when you go Q-5’s vs F-4E → that’s not even considered
Also, you might note that GROUND BR is limited to the maximum BR of Tanks, in order to make “Line-up” before entering battle,… which currently explains why 14.0 aircrafts are currently so much lower BR Wise, as Tanks doesn’t reach such Maximum BR
And finally,… being harsh, stupidly insulting or even aggressive is not going to plead your case in favor of any change,… this have been said by Staff many times, over the years.
So when i see comments like:
I know already that discussion is harder, but i’m still here to discuss (with anything you can try to say,… because the end of your last post seems truncated by your own inability to express Facts and Reasons)
Well clearly not, recently Mirage 2k D’s record as far as I am aware is pretty useless, observed most of them dying to ARHs when they are helpless with weapons capable of only 3km max. HMD + IRCCM does not equal 12.7 BR, evidently, especially not two of them, compared to Mirage CS5, obvious trade off HMD for radar guided missiles if we decide to compare them, should be same BR right? Q5s are not balanced either, China’s winrate at that BR has decreased since BR change, despite having obviously the most OP plane at that BR range, J7D, A5C is a big reason, it is same BR as Mirage IIIE yet slower and has 18 CMs. Even worse if compared to Mirage 5F, even trade off, CMs for speed and loadout, yet BR is +0.7. The idea that this is in game result that drives these BRs don’t inherently make any sense.
Same applies to other examples like JH7A, the fighter with same AA capability and only slightly worse base bombing loadout is sitting at 11.3.
I’m sorry to say this and I think I’m not going to make many friends, but the 2000D RMV is pretty damn good at its Br. It’s one of the planes I have the most fun with in simulation.
Obviously this is not a gameplay for everyone and I think the plane could do with a slight Br reduction (but not by much).
Yet,… read every proposed changes of BR update - each times the justifications are about in-game results in order to balance an aircraft considered too good for it’s own BR.
And again,… Gaijin compare what’s comparable:
The Mirage 5F being 0.7BR higher is no comparable aircraft in Gaijin mind.
My point is that clearly that does not apply. These planes all have K/D below 1.0 for ages, and they clearly are not ‘too strong’ or a single game of downtier u will feel it. Also decompression has happened, yet these aircraft are still consistent with others, so they are not affected by decompression. E.g., JH7A, was 11.7 vs F16 12.0, now 12.3 vs F16 12.7, didn’t change, compared to F4SII which is now 12.0.
If so then nothing is. What is more comparable than two things with AA loadouts, one has the better manoeuvrability, speed, bomb load and a radar, as well as CM count yet they have same BR. We are not getting anywhere by saying no two aircrafts are comparable.
To me it is simple, Gaijin has done a horrible job at balancing, and this should be a point where they make some effort for a change.
If Gaijin logic works then (few examples where it doesn’t)
J11A = F15E (GRB) R-77 + N001 + SPO15LM with no guided ground ordinance, no balance here.
A5C = J7D (ARB) Both carry Magic 1s, J7D being similar in manoeuvrability yet much faster and has more CMs. Also carries 4 missiles instead of two.
Mirage 2000D RMV = F-14A IRIAF Mirage with 3km engagement range, vs F14 with 30km engagement range.
We need Gaijin to change this, now.