The I-Derby/I-Derby ER were integrated with the new Block 60 upgrade, and as far as I’m aware it wasn’t integrated into any TC.10s or TC-12s. Unless you have any information that suggests the missile was backwards compatible with pre-existing systems compatible with the standard Derby, or cannot just be assumed that these missiles can be guided by the radars (again feel free to prove me wrong! Would be welcome additions!).
As I understand it, they should however be capable of being fielded by incompatible systems through datalink at the very least. By this I mean guidance through seperate systems, such as ground based radar systems or AWACS. ARH missiles can be launched without locks (a function not yet seen ingame for aircraft lacking radars to guide missiles, and without TWS tracking and datalink from onboard radars), however with the drack-back of it immediately searching for targets on its own upon launch (Only on some ARH AAMs, I hav who information to suggest the Derby would behave in this way in such a scenario, or if it’s even capable of this) within its flight trajectory and thus using its battery life, locking wrong targets, etc (this is as I understand it, and I could be wrong). However, this is all to say if this missile could even be launched in the first place, as perhaps the systems onboard the Kfir aren’t even capable of that without integration/modernization. If Derbys were indeed mounted on TC.10s or C.12s with the intent to use them, I could only see them being used in this way if ever.
Really, are you sure? I doubt a suggestion moderator would cite that as a source for an approved suggestion in this instance. If that’s indeed true, this suggestion needs to be edited.
Edit: It was indeed somewhat credible, read below in Headnaught’s reply to see more information about the cite and the individuals credibility below. The suggestion was also edited as I suggested.
“Pixel art site” is a pretty disingenuous way to describe a forum of SAAF veterans and enthusiasts who have spent decades living with and doing research into South African aircraft. To your point, though, the fifth V4 on the centerline pylon is as of now anecdotal. The person in question could just be an extremely elaborate and convincing liar who has never been called out for making things up despite posting on the website for 15 years.
Since the Cheetah C is a very secretive aircraft, I’m willing to confidently say the fifth R-Darter was a possible installation based on anecdotal evidence from what appears to be a reasonably qualified individual in the same way I am willing to say the Cheetah C used the Atar Plus. Officially, after all, the aircraft is converted from SAAF Mirage III airframes which is almost definitely not the case. However, when it comes to sources for what ends up in game the developers can be a lot more rigorous than what is required for a suggestion. I would not expect this feature to reach the game if the plane were added.
I will emend the post because I think there have been reasonable concerns expressed. No one’s in trouble. I just think what Basher said was a little rude and I wanted to clear up my line of reasoning for why I included 5 R-Darters in the specifications section in the first place.
I-Derby ER was purchased with the Block 60 upgrade, but it is backwards compatible with all the others. As for my sources, it’s Colombian Kfir pilots and civilian military consultants.
As for the SAAF forum site… I clicked the link saw the page and immediately exited. There is this page called Shipbucket Forum (a pixel art site) that uses the EXACT same page design. I should have paid more attention. My bad.
That’s fine with me, but not with gaijin. If you want to prove to them said capability, you would need to provide documentation detailing such. Otherwise, the information such as that in the image I shared earlier will be prioritized over simple testimony. As far as I’m aware, no detailed information exists with suggests the missile is backwards compatible, and I don’t believe anyone at gaijin would believe otherwise without primary or secondary sources detailing such.
I would love it so much if I could fly South African Air Force planes like the Cheetah, Impala or even BAE Hawk in cover of my South African ground forces when me and my mates take out our SA line ups.
I am by no means an expert but from what I could find after a quick google the Hawk 120 is comparable to the RAAF Hawk Mk127 sharing only 10% commonality with previous hawk versions. From the SAAF website it seems the Hawk can use various bombs and the IRIS-T missiles. Wikipedia also mentions that the Hawk can carry the Denel Dynamics Umbani glide bomb modification made to standard dumb bombs. With it being Denel and called Umbani which is Zulu/Ndebele for lightning makes me think the SAAF Hawk can use it, or at least plan to. I saw a few Hawks take off flying CAP during the 2010 FIFA world cup from Waterkloof Air Force base. It was at night so I couldn’t make out the armaments they were carrying but the Afterburners looked spectacular
I find it interesting that our air force gets their own custom design of an already existing plane but the army gets something the exact same as what other countries use and use 3x the amount of money for the same price and amount of units. Truly a great country we live in
there has only been one significant (and very corrupt) procurement drive with one of the purchases being the Hawk. But the decline is across the board not limited to one service, the airforce might have modern jets but how good is their maintenance?
