Theoretical - five.
Demonstrated - four.
The fifth missile is anecdotal so I wouldn’t expect it.
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I agree, but I must admit that I absolutely hate the Kfir C.10 and because Gaijin added it before the Cheetah C every single Youtuber is gonna say it’s C&P or say it is exactly like the Kfir. People already say that several other South African vehicles are like that (some examples of this are the TTD, every single Mirage variant, Cheetahs, Olifants, ZA 35 and more) and this gets me quite angry but their gullibility and stupidity.
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We are not going this direction again.
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Gaijin has implemented theoretical loadouts / weaponry before and they likely will keep in mind the 5th mount for balance purposes.
I am stating it as it will be a bit of a problem for the future if the Cheetah C is added
Did the Mirage F1CZ get Cat’s Eye before 1985?
just don’t get offended by it simple as
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Yes, you can normally identify them by their grey low visibility camos, they got these camos after being upgraded with Cat’s Eye
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Regarding the Atlas Cheetah, I would really love to suggest and (hopefully) see this camo from the Ecuadorian Atlas Cheetah, and I think the community would enjoy it as well, I’m talking about FAE-1377’s 40th Anniversary camouflage:
Also here is FAE-1377 in the usual service camouflage:
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R-Darter not Derby
R-Darter is an export variant of the Derby issued to the SAAF
Not exactly R-Darter is the result of a joint collaboration with Israel which resulted in the two respective missiles. There are both similarities and differences between the two because of this (although probably more of the former).
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It doesn’t really matter, the Cheetah C is literally just a worse Kfir C.10. So in fact nobody will say it’s a C&P C.10 they’ll say it’s a worse C&P C.10 and they’d be right.
How is the Cheetah a worse C.10? the Cheetah only loses to the C.10 in thrust but makes up for it with a lower weight and a slightly worse radar. The Cheetah has better missiles, more missiles and rear MAW. You seem like one of those people that think something like the Cheetah should be added to Israel and India should be its own nation
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How does it make up for having inferior performance with a worse radar? The Kfir should get all aspect MAWS like was teased in the dev blog but not added. And what are these better missiles you’re talking about? C.10 should get Python 5 and I-Derby ER. Even the Cheetah C pilots that trained on Kfirs in Israel preferred it. So you’re wrong on all counts. And for more missiles part, what’s your source other than “trust me bro”.
As for the the second part of your comment, it sounds like insecure deflecting.
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Worse engine, Worse radar (possibly RWR as well), possibly Worse IR missiles, depending on how they compare to the Python 4/5 ingame. It’s just dated and overall worse. The Kfir C.10 modernization is just overall more modern than the Cheetah, that’s why it’s better.
Minor correction, the C.10 Block 60 gets the I-Derby and I-Derby ER, not the standard C.10 with its older radar. Both variants can still use the Python 5 ofc, however I doubt gaijin will give a plane the Python 5 if it has the Derby as its top ARH missile. It would be reasonable to expect only the Kfir C.10 Block 60 to receive that missile, although I’m sure you were referring to it from the start, just didn’t mention the Block 60 bit of information.
I believe it’s already been stated inn this thread a few times now that the R-Darter was mounted and tested for compatibility with the centerline rail, however it wasn’t used in service to any capacity due to technical limitations and concerns, and as such it can’t come to the game with said extra missile. It did happen, but given we have a precedent with technical limitations (ie. the TGP and AGM-65s on the A-10C) I’m almost positive this aircraft will only come to the game with 4 AAMs at most, identical to the Kfirs.
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Standard C.10 uses I-Derby ER as well, as a matter of fact even the C.12 (C.10 with a C.7 radar) uses it. It can be guided via ground based or air based radar datalink (for the C.12). The EL/M-2032 on the regular C.10 is more than capable of guiding it on its own.
I’m aware the second picture is a training missile.
As for the 5th missile on the Cheetah a picture wasn’t provided and the “source” was some dude on a pixel art site.
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The I-Derby/I-Derby ER were integrated with the new Block 60 upgrade, and as far as I’m aware it wasn’t integrated into any TC.10s or TC-12s. Unless you have any information that suggests the missile was backwards compatible with pre-existing systems compatible with the standard Derby, or cannot just be assumed that these missiles can be guided by the radars (again feel free to prove me wrong! Would be welcome additions!).
As I understand it, they should however be capable of being fielded by incompatible systems through datalink at the very least. By this I mean guidance through seperate systems, such as ground based radar systems or AWACS. ARH missiles can be launched without locks (a function not yet seen ingame for aircraft lacking radars to guide missiles, and without TWS tracking and datalink from onboard radars), however with the drack-back of it immediately searching for targets on its own upon launch (Only on some ARH AAMs, I hav who information to suggest the Derby would behave in this way in such a scenario, or if it’s even capable of this) within its flight trajectory and thus using its battery life, locking wrong targets, etc (this is as I understand it, and I could be wrong). However, this is all to say if this missile could even be launched in the first place, as perhaps the systems onboard the Kfir aren’t even capable of that without integration/modernization. If Derbys were indeed mounted on TC.10s or C.12s with the intent to use them, I could only see them being used in this way if ever.
Really, are you sure? I doubt a suggestion moderator would cite that as a source for an approved suggestion in this instance. If that’s indeed true, this suggestion needs to be edited.
Edit: It was indeed somewhat credible, read below in Headnaught’s reply to see more information about the cite and the individuals credibility below. The suggestion was also edited as I suggested.
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“Pixel art site” is a pretty disingenuous way to describe a forum of SAAF veterans and enthusiasts who have spent decades living with and doing research into South African aircraft. To your point, though, the fifth V4 on the centerline pylon is as of now anecdotal. The person in question could just be an extremely elaborate and convincing liar who has never been called out for making things up despite posting on the website for 15 years.
Since the Cheetah C is a very secretive aircraft, I’m willing to confidently say the fifth R-Darter was a possible installation based on anecdotal evidence from what appears to be a reasonably qualified individual in the same way I am willing to say the Cheetah C used the Atar Plus. Officially, after all, the aircraft is converted from SAAF Mirage III airframes which is almost definitely not the case. However, when it comes to sources for what ends up in game the developers can be a lot more rigorous than what is required for a suggestion. I would not expect this feature to reach the game if the plane were added.
I will emend the post because I think there have been reasonable concerns expressed. No one’s in trouble. I just think what Basher said was a little rude and I wanted to clear up my line of reasoning for why I included 5 R-Darters in the specifications section in the first place.
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T-T
wat i do :(((
(i kid i kid, I’m sure you meant to say ElGringo here instead of my name since he was attacking the credibility of the website lol).