this didnt even register a hit in game for some reason yet it was clearly a hit both in game and in the replay, tandem atgms seem like they also constantly fail against explosive reactive armor from t72, t80, t90 which is supposed to be something they were designed for… how these missile work exactly? is there an actual secondary explosion or theres just additional penetration values instead?
I feel like it´s only the zbd missile that´s performing so bad ngl. I don´t have any issues with other tandem missiles
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well the “tandem” aps03 has only 600 mm pen so its natural it cant pen the soviets. What’s wrong with that? They have much protection against HEATs. Even that Leopard likely has enough protection at that angle, or it was a bush that triggered the rocket.
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it appears you simply got unlucky and got gaijined the missile looks like it ricocheted off of the little bit of track armour and then detonated while facing away from the tank, you could always make a bug report about it
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I’ve seen it happening with QN506 900mm and aft09 1200mm both tandem missile so it’s not a lack of pen issue but something tied to a randomness factor with the era blocks or thats how it feels
The behavior that you’ve just witnessed is normal, the way you saw the missile is the illustration of non-penetration by (tandem) HEAT ATGM.
Leo2A4 (Chritstian II) has UFP composite armor rated at 600mm CE protection (not including the base angled 35mm RHA plate), and APS03 has exactly 600mm pen behind ERA. It is also worth mentioning that the shot was made at a certain angle which also reduced the penetration of armor (HEAT jet doesn’t go straight through the module of UFP but diagonally, further increasing effective CE protection).
All in all, it is nothing new and is not nation specific thing. The confusing problem here is the way ATGMs are registered when they non-pen, as they appear to be “ricocheting” and turn 180° in the way to portray HEAT jet not going through the module.
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ah thats maybe then. I play the BMPs and Beigleights and never saw that issue. And especially on AFT09. One of the best ATGMs there, may lack damage sometimes but its basically point and delete anything
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They even fixed tandem ATGMs somewhat recently.
Back then, ATGMs with tandem only had more penetration than its non-tandem counterpart:
Now:
Only certain ERA (such as Relikt) ignores tandem:
Or large volumes of ERA:
hellfire aint tandem tho?
Hellfire Ks are.
Ah okay
Doubtful. AFT09 nukes everything without breaking a sweat.
most of the times yes but there are opportunities where a tank survives an entire salvo even through autoloader was anihilated and most components heavily damaged, it usually happens when the tank is partially obscured by a structure mixed with it having only neutral rounds equipped, its rare but i’ve seen it, the overpressure also works in strange ways with that missile and not always happen upon succesful penetration, most kills happen from brute force of plasma jet just making enough internal damage after two missile cuz it goes through like butter and sometimes it dodges stuff for the same reason.
but the vehicle is amazing and an absolute menace in comparison to other atgms, making it higher in BR would probably work as a buff bcoz it being 9.x means you can’t get 100% of XP in highest tier even through it can reliably kill any tank regardless of battle rating
Accepted for 9 months lol. Known issue for longer
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Zfsqtmx0m0K4
Yeah tandem ATGMs aren’t really tandem.
They fixed it for most ERA
It’s just that small ERA blocks act a force multiplier for some reason.
This goes the same for the BRENUS.
If I had to guess, it’s that the Jet is inheriting the caliber of the missile / shell, and so it is erroneously interacting with adjacent tiles.
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