We did it all! We got the ace combat tree!
Can’t wait for Malaysia ground to happen.
Do you think it will be tech tree or GE or even squadron? The skin is giving me GE vibes.
istg please let it be TT, I don’t understand what’s with every 12.7 since F/A-18C (Early) need to be premium plus 13.0 F-2A ADTW is literally right there
also I was typing earlier that since MiG-29N is closely be a thing and 12.7 if without R-73 (and if it does be TT jet), would F-16AJ be finally removed?
Mig-29n is likely gonna be another 12.7 mig 29 with r60ms and r-27er/t
It should at least also get AIM-9L imo.
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FYI Infoglobal’s website is down while i was gathering the info for the bug report, so until they resolve their problems the reports gotta wait
Gaijin has the chance to at least make this thing unique, and also even though Malaysia didn’t use R-77s on it they’re still technically compatible with it as well, the radar it has can make use of it, but we’ll see
Yeah but it’s stuck with spo-15, I’d rather it be at 12.7 with 60ms or 9ls than at 13.3 with spo -15 and r77s with no maws
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So it retains the SPO-15, I see, in the case then I agree, 12.7 with 9Ls and ERs would make it more unique also
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Could you tell me some more about the Mig-29N? Like the service history of it, if it got modernised and modified, and who performed the modifications etc
unfortunately MiG-29N is quite a mystery honestly out of other jets in RMAF fleet, there is mentions of minor upgrades in late 1990-early 2000 but that itself traced to key.aero website forum. It was also proposed for later upgrade similar to MiG-29SMT and MiG-29UPG upgrade called MiG-29NM but it was too late and ended up retired in 2017.
I assume the 2000’s minor modification were closely to Luftwaffe’s MiG-29G mayhaps, as in network compatibility with NATO/Western architecture.
regarding the ones in charge for MiG-29 maintenance and stuff it was from a firm called ATSC, also responsible on maintaining Su-30MKM as well
a little dig into the company’s old website
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I got this book about Infoglobal, while I haven’t read it yet, pretty sure there’s a couple things about Hawk 209 avionics in it, lmk if you need anything
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Finding information on it is very difficult since it’s usually only short articles, websites or short mentions in books that need to be pieced together. Sometimes they also seem to misinterpret older articles.
The MiG-29 was chosen by Malaysia from a lineup that would’ve had the Mirage 2000-5, F-16 (unknown variant, likely A) and F/A-18 (that they also ordered 8 D models from). In 1994 they ordered 16 MiG-29SD (9.12SD) and 2 MiG-29UB (9.51) alongside their armament of R-73E and R-27R missiles. These were delivered in 1995.
The MiG-29SD was itself a downgraded export variant of the MiG-29S (9.12S), featuring downgraded N019ME version of the N019M radar, capability to mount three drop tanks (two underwing, one on the fuselage) as well as options for westernized avionics on customer demand.
The MiG-29N was the specific MiG-29UB variant for Malaysia. This specifically was old MiG-29 aircraft manufactured between 1988-1990, which were refurbished and upgraded to the desired standard. On delivery this included new avionics systems including Cossor IFF, Collins radio, ARN-138 TACAN, a new English voice-warning system, ILS, GPS, and an English cockpit using Imperial units.
9.12SD specific upgrades were also included in the initial order, but added later, after deliveries were already complete. The retractable refueling probe was developed for the Malaysian order, but then offered for further export customers as well. The probe is fully removable from the airframe.
Additionally there was mentions of upgrading the existing N019E radars to N019ME (also part of the MiG-29SD standard) during the same timeframe (1997-1999), including R-77 and Kh-27 integration, however this was not done due to cost cutting reasons.
A few years later however, in 1999 these radars were again ordered, with at least 11 being delivered in 2002-2003 and fitted to multiple of the aircraft. It is likely some airframes retained the older N019E radar, but this is purely speculation based on later upgrade proposals.
The MiG-29N mounting Sidewinders is something I haven’t seen any additional information about outside of Malaysian forum mentions of AIM-9 on the MiG-29N from 2008 (maybe Malaysians will have an easier time finding more here), so I mostly just have what can be seen directly on the image.
By this image it can be seen that the launch rail used is the same as on the Hawk 208, while the missile itself is a captive AIM-9L with a live seeker. Judging by the grey-green camo on the aircraft it was taken before 2005, likely in the early 2000s.
Sidewinder Image
In 2015-2017 multiple upgrades to the MiG-29N was proposed, one to MiG-29SM standard, and the MiG-29NM. The latter would have included increased internal fuel capacity, upgraded radar, integration of Su-30MKMs air to air and air to ground weapons including the R-77, updated avionics and a new, modernized cockpit. This upgrade never went past the proposal.
Sources (Incomplete, this is just everything I looked through now to write this)
Book Sources
- Mikoyan MiG-29 Fulcrum : multi-role fighter : Gordon, E : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
- ВОЙНА В ВОЗДУХЕ 128 - МиГ-29
- Nikolai Yakubovich. Mikoyan’s combat aircraft. There is only “Mig”, 2009
- Nikolay Yakubovich. Mig-29. The Invisible Fighter, 2011
- E. Gordon, A. Fomin, A. Mikheev. Mig-29, 1998
- Aviation and Time No. 05, 2001
- взлет 4.2015 [124] апрель - ИСТРЕБИТЕЛИ МиГ-29 В ЮГО-ВОСТОЧНОЙ АЗИИ (I ran out of images, so only the cover is here and content in another message)
Websites
- Yu Jin's Jets
- Full Frame: Malaysia's MiG-29N : Fulcrum Most Tenacious
- Malaysia Grounds MiG-29s and Rethinks Future Fighter | Aviation International News
- RMAF MiG-29 Fighter Jet to be Displayed as Monument at Dataran Pahlawan, Putrajaya - Defence Security Asia
- MiG-29N Multipurpose fighter
- Colours of the MiG-29. Mikoyan & Gurevich MiG-29 camouflage and painting schemes. European countries, Russia, Asia. MiG-29, MiG-29UB, MiG-29SMT, MiG-29K/KUB, MiG-35
- https://mforum.cari.com.my/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=369875&extra=&page=4&mobile=1&mobile=
- Full Frame: Malaysia's MiG-29N : Fulcrum Most Tenacious
- Malaysian Company Offers RMAF MiG29N Aircraft Upgrade
- Russia to fine-tune MiG-29N fighter jets for Malaysia - Military & Defense - TASS
- https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/SIPRIYB0412ABC.pdf
- Lots of love, but no money: LIMA 2017
Posts about the aircraft
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It’s specifically a LAU-7, which is a very flexible sidewinder rail used by the Hawk 108, Hawk 208, and F-18D.
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13.0???
they must be added R-73 or something with it
alas thank god it is TT
it didn’t get the sidewinders (photo from cicada_WT)
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Seems like the sidewinders and wing fuel tanks need to be reported then.
Sidewinders have been reported, but more information than just this image, or even some more information and maybe the source for this image, would be appreciated.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/F7GCNTFgf3IK
Missing wing drop tanks
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/aLthiMmi3A02
Thanks to a good find from @AJinxdEngineer we now know the MiG-29N carries the P5 CTS pod. This is done using the same LAU-7 launch rails taken from the Hawk 208, except now with specific confirmation that these are wired to function (since it’s needed for the P5).
This would mean the AIM-9 integration was done to more, if not all MiG-29Ns, rather than just being an experimental thing.