Gaijin had an idea, doesn’t mean it’s a good idea. Many bad ideas are scrapped and altered. Keep in mind it was never official news, but a leek of development plans. Plans can and in this case should change.
I’m not just arguing against China either. As I said before
China has a very strong domestic industry as well as many possible subtree options such as Pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia perhaps even countries such as Iran or North Korea. They are all but short of options.
I do think China can, and seeing the direction the game is heading probably should, get subtrees. I just don’t think Indonesia or Singapore should be those subtrees.
I know that Vietnam or even South Vietnam is not on the list of nations however one series of aircraft that the RVNAF and later the VPAF operated that can be added are the Skyhawks, including the A-1G, A-1H & A-1J variants
This is great! I totally support this. I’d like to see the NU-200/225, Lim-6, AT-33, L-39, OV-10M SLEP, and Su-30MKM added, however, as they all are interesting aircraft which could bring a lot to the table.
A quick note here, the British demonstrator was tested and integrated with Skyflash, which would be a good slightly ahistorical addon imo, similar to the Gripens when introduced etc, to allow for a stronger cap side role with the extra reach.
I always forget how ugly the gannet is lmao, so glad in UK service it was banished to the seas. Though at least it’s not the one with the maritime radar
For everybody who just seen this topic, please do take a look on the individual planes and you can see that there is barely any C&P vehicles here. The aircrafts in this tech tree suggestion all are either, not represented in WT yet or have unique domestic upgrades done on them.
The only true C&P vehicles you can see here are probably the F-16A OCU and Mig-29N which is exactly the same one found already in-game.
Gaijin would probably go down that copy paste path at some point but yeah, it is decently unique for the most part. Su-30MKM and F-15SG is very technically copy & paste too, due to the nature of exports, but I’d like to see those in game regardless, at some point.
While these two seem to be C&P, both still require new 3D models and do have some quite notable differences to the “original” designs, not just visually.
+1 from me but I attest the Singaporean F-16D being end of line haha… I would prefer the Thai Gripen C for more diversity.
Also needs more A-4 haha
(In all honesty, I think the tree can do without Philippines at the moment. It’s selection of both air and ground vehicles are highly limited at the moment and for anything they have - Japan already had them in the form of JGSDF’s wheeled vehicles.
Hear me out - I think Philippines should be left for Israel Ground Forces (Not Air) because of their light vehicles, which is much needed by Israel.)
The F-16A is specifically a Singaporean model, which has a reinforced but slightly heavier Block 30 airframe and drogue chute, but is otherwise equipped to Block 15 OCU standards.
It’s not a massive difference, but it is not a copy of the existing OCU either (which I believe is a Block 10 airframe).
This could be the solution to solve those tree without end or head, but there can adding 1 more line to add those aircraft that not in this list, for example: Malaysia Su 30MKM, Thailand JAS39, Philippine Mustang, Indonesia Su-27 and Rafale etc.
I fully support the addition of an ASEAN sub tree!
My only real concern is in regards to the F-8H:
It would have superior flight performance to the in-game Crusaders (due to having the more powerful J57-P-420 afterburning turbojet) as well as a better RWR, but vastly inferior weapons and no CMs. Because of all this combined, it would be in a very… odd spot.
Part of me was also interested in the idea of the F-8H being added to the US TT, (according to its late service years with the USMC/USN), and getting two GE/researchable camos (one standard, the other bicolor) representing the PAF. That way, it could be added and get the full proper armament, as well as CMs, thus allowing it to reach its full potential.
Even then, I wouldn’t oppose an actual PAF F-8H with historical gear coming as a TT vehicle for the ASEAN sub tree as well. I’m just fully on board with seeing more nation rep in-game, no matter how it’s done!
It looks interesting, but at the same time too cumbersome. For example, the gaijin are unlikely to include the “16” in Japan, since they will already have the F-2 by that time, which is a rethinking of the F-16. The same applies to early versions of the F-15.
With a high degree of probability, the Japanese research tree will add countries that will have Soviet/Russian, Swedish and Korean aircraft at a high rank. And already at a low level, American and European
Truth be told, a few ASEAN F-16s in the Japanese TT wouldn’t really be that bad.
Even just going off of the three Thai F-16As:
F-16A Block 15 OCU (foldered with ADF similarly to US TT, F-16AJ replacement)
F-16A Block 15 ADF (foldered with OCU similarly to US TT, F-16AJ replacement)
F-16A Block 15 (e)MLU (after early F-16A folder, better than AJ that’s getting replaced by said early F-16A folder)
The Viper Zero itself is something I’d consider to be unique enough to be not considered a “stock” F-16. Is it part of the F-16’s lineage? Yes. Should its inclusion limit potential filler/top tier ASEAN additions to Japan? No.
Why replace it? The F-16AJ is a “Japanese” version of the F-16, which already combines the capabilities of the ADF and OCU. And the “MLU” version will simply not be needed, due to the fact that you can add the F-2, which is a cut above it.
So here is the question of the branch progress. First comes “AJ”, then probably some version of F-2 and so on
I don’t think it will limit the capabilities of “ASEAN” in any way. It will simply remove what is already in the Japanese research branch
Because the F-16AJ was never built, nor did it ever actually fly. It was a proposal-only aircraft, with Gaijin choosing to add it as a compromise prior to the idea of Japan ever getting a sub tree or sub nation.
And? This does not negate the fact that the gaijin will not remove it, much less replace it with other F-16 variants that add the same capabilities that the AJ already has
