Rather play more American and Russian planes than play with nothing 🤷♂️
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you’re free to play American and Russian planes, their trees are to the left of Japan
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I am not sure whether he can currently reply or not, however, we decided to put the OV-10M into the Honorable Mentions section as we were not sure where and how we should put it into the TT. The flight performance is identical to that of the other OV-10s, but we couldn’t imagine GBUs with this airframe even in 7.7 GRB; thanks for bringing it up though, we may add Suggestion links for these Aircraft soon as well.
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It’s already in the honorable mention I believe, but it seems that Mauswaffe mislabelled it as Indonesia instead of Philippines. Indonesia itself only operated OV-10F
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the Hawk 209 also has air refueling probe
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Ah mb, i forgot 209 comes after 208…
It was the first to have An aerial refueilng probe anyways
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I’m genuinely surprised that nobody mentioned the Cl-41G-5 Teuban here, an upengined Cl-41G COIN aircraft operated by the RMAF
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Tbh, we finalized and submitted the Suggestion quite a bit before evidence for the CL-41Gs armament in RMAF service was found. We’ll add it to the Honorable Mentions list later (I may add it to my separate RMAF Sub-TT suggestion as well at some point).
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Yes +1 Japan needs all the help it can. these would add tons of new variety especially in terms of CAS
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+1 full support. I hope this suggestion and proposal are implemented exactly as they need to be in Japan. Japan deserves more late-tier content in War Thunder, especially the aircraft and CAS. It should make Japan more fleshed out and rekindled for me to revisit.
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It’s not about playing American or Russian, it’s about the potential line up it introduces for Japan and expands on CAS opportunities, something Japan already lacked. It also gives these nations a place in game where they just don’t really fit in other places.
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so how does Japan reach that potential with useless copypasted aircraft? they could and should add stuff like the FA-50PH, F/A-18D and the Thai F-16A but a lot of the stuff on this tree is nothing but additions for the sake of additions
? well yes that’s the point Japan NEEDS more additions to the tree regardless if it helps with gaps/CAS and such…lack of additions is one of those issues as well since in terms of domestic options there’s only a handful left post war wise. yes there is still some things they can get buts compared to othere trees its more limited.
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care to explain as to why Japan so desperately needs a bunch of F-5s, F-16s and yet another F-15 instead of an actually unique aircraft that fills basically the same roles, the F-2?
because the F-2 doesn’t fix the cas issue. 4-8 JDAMs at most, and perhaps the possibly of its ASMs being able to hit ground targets but that’s it, has no MAWs, only 4 fox 3s. the F-5s add filler aircraft at lower Brs. the F-15SG is a CAS F-15 basically an F-15E with upgrades and those other F-16s add more CAS variety plus some of them get some unique weaponries.
heck F-2 lacks HMD for crying out loud Japan WILL need better top tier aircraft in the CAS and fighter role.
Another thing is most of those get upgrades you won’t find in others trees thus technically making them unique in their own way similar to a F-15J is compared to an F-15C they are not the same.
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i’m not sure why you think 8x JDAM isn’t enough for CAS, but i’m glad you at least acknowledge the F-5s being worthless additions :), Japan will also have the F-35 for CAS & CAP
regarding upgraded aircraft and their “”“uniqueness”“”, do we then agree than China should also get every ROSE upgraded Pakistani Mirage? and every F-16 variant they’ve had? (they have a Pakistani roundel on them, a unique upgrade) and the Bangladeshi MiG-29? and the North Korean Su-25, Su-7, MiG-23 & 29? and i’m just listing some aircraft from countries that actually are present in the Chinese TT
This works amazingly as a subtree, major +1
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its not. Gaijin is adding more and more crazy forms of CAS 8 JDAMs is not enough period. those other aircraft add GBUS, air to surface missiles, glide bombs etc.
oh yeah lets wait till gaijin adds 5th gen fighters sure great idea bud
couldn’t care less about china nor its discussion with this but yes they should if that’s what gaijins wants. (not like their TT isn’t already just copy and paste just to add more depth to the tree which just proves my point of adding vehicles for the sake of needed additions and filler anyway) and other nations are like this too so i don’t see why its wrong for Japan to get “worthless additions”
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And the F-2 with 8x JDAM and future F-35 with LGBs are somehow equal CAS to other nations? That’s two aircraft, not exactly enough and still leaving more than half the tree empty.
Sure, China could get quite a few aircraft from Pakisran or Bangladesh. They seem like very suitable subtree options, so I’d say that unique variants, aircraft filling otherwise unfulfilled needs of the tree and other significant planes to their respective air forces would be nice additions.
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+1!
here’s some more CAS-oriented Indonesian vehicles that havent been mentioned and can be added to the tree:
Rank III/IV | Cavalier Mustang II (Modified and improved Cavalier F-51D for foreign export, specifically for CAS-duty), only Indonesia and El Salvador operated this variant, so I would consider this unique enough
Characteristics:
- Factory: Cavalier Aircraft Corporation
- Engine: 1x Rolls-Royce Merlin V-1650-7, 1720hp
- Weight: 7,000kg
- Length: 9.81m
- Height: 3.9m
- Wingspan: 11.28m
- Cruise Speed: 735km/h
Armaments:
- 6x Browning .50 cal
- Hardpoint: 3x on each wing
- 8x Hispano Suiza (SURA-D) 80mm rockets on two outer pylon
- 2x bombs or drop tanks on inner pylon
Rank III/IV | Fairey Gannet AS.4, good choice for ASW (in the future) and is also capable for CAS-duty, Indonesian Navy is one of just 4 operators of this fugly thing
Characteristics:
- Wingspan (folded): 16,56m (6.07m)
- Length: 13.095m
- Height (wing folded): 3.99m (4.90m)
- Engine: 1x 3,035ehp Armstrong Siddeley Double Mamba 101
- Max Speed: 497km/h
- Climb speed: 610m/mins
- Loaded weight (empty): 10,208kg (6,835kg)
- Max Alt: 7,625m
- Crew: 3
- Range: 1510km
Armaments:
- ASW: 2x homing torpedoes, depth charges, sonobuoys
- 12x Hispano Suiza 80mm (SURA-D) rockets on outer wing, 2x small bombs on inner wing, 4x 1,000lbs bombs in bomb bay
Rank V | TA-33A, Domestically modified trainer version of the shooting star for COIN operation, slight difference is that the sight for the pilot is a KB-13 ripped straight from an IL-28
Characteristics:
- Factory : Lockheed
- Crew : 2
- Engine : 1x Allison J33-A-35 (2,360 kg of thrust)
- Wingspan : 11,85 m
- Fuselage Length : 11,45 m
- Empty Weight : 12.000 lbs (5443.1 kg)
- Take-off Weight : 15.100 lbs (6849.24 kg)
- Height : 3,55 m
- Maximum Speed : 960 km/h
- Max Alt : 40.000 ft
- Cruising Range : 1.345 miles (2.164 km)
Armaments:
- 2x nose-mounted Browning AN-M3 12.7mm machine guns (250x ammo on each)
- 6x 80mm SURA-D rockets (3x each wing)
- 14x 70mm FFAR (mounted on 2x LAU-68 launcher)
- 2x MK81 100kg bomb
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