sensor wise only, but weaponry just the same as Su-27SM but with Damocles TGP and Paveways as extras, no RVV-SD, no Kh-38M
plus if you scroll to 100-200 some arguing that Su-30MKM (and Malaysian tt, along with Singapore) should be in China, even though they got better Flankers later on anyways like J-15 and J-16
Which is funny, when you know that later Chinese Flankers are more advanced than any other you can find.
China already has Taiwanese branch to give it western aircraft, with Singapore potentially giving China yet more F-16s in form of Block 52+ when Taiwan has Block 70s to give, F-15SG when China has equivalent Flankers, and F-35 when China also has 2 domestic 5th gen options to be added, it’s bad for the game’s health as it will give China essentially everything, China would be better off getting North Korea if it’s not added in an independent unified Korea tree. Or alternatively (which I would prefer) give China a mix of Myanmar, Cambodia and Laos, Myanmar would give it stuff like MiG-29 which we really don’t have many variants, they already have Pakistani vehicles as well.
And I’m saying this as someone who recently has been playing China as 1 of my main nations, alongside Japan and Germany so far
Yeah pretty much, adding Singapore to China is a really bad idea, I’d rather see it as a subtree to Britain since it was commonwealth rather than China, Singapore would give China everything under the sun which we know would be extremely bad for the game’s content health, we already have enough and reasonable copy paste, China is not in the same situation as Japan currently, China has more domestic options which I see is the preferred route for Chinese mains and Chinese players in general. The J-11B is still my favorite Flanker in the whole game for example, more domestic Chinese vehicles and as I suggested a mix of Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia to give them MiG-29 and some old T series tanks
I’d say the best option is probably Israel, a nation with significant military ties to Singapore that also has just about the most subtree space of any nation right now
Problem with adding it to Israel though is that Singapore would be redundant when it comes to high tier, they operate pretty much the same planes, A-4SU similar to Ayit, F-16I Sufa similar to F-16D Block 52+, F-15I similar to F-15SG, F-35s, only thing Singapore would offer are its F-5E and F-5S, and Hunter. And Leopard 2A4 and 2SG and some domestic designs for ground, honestly I’d rather see something fresh like a combination of Colombia and Chile for Israel instead, bringing some South American love and options Israel could actually use, so Singapore to Japan or Britain would make the most sense given the content they could offer those trees
F-5S would be pretty cool. I heard it supposedly got amraam access, but ive had my doubts on if that was the case, as i cant really find any photos or anything to support it.
As for singapore, the ideal outcome is an asean tt but i dont know if gaijin would do that, so for britian or Japan would be the 2nd best option.
British definitely the best place for MY and SG, but the problem is just did UK TT got that much of slot to add those vehicle. UK, AUS, NZ, MY & SG are the Five Power Defence Arrangement (FPDA) member and the main role of this group is to counter the enemy from north (I think we no need to be that specific, we all knew who we talking about)
And some picture from Bersama Lima Exercise few day ago:
Also some interesting photo: HMS Prince of Wales paying tribute to HMS Prince of Wales and accompanies by Japan
I think India should be a tech tree on its own but yeah, the current implementation of the UK TT is just all over the place. A subtree rework would give MY and SG a comfortable seat with the FPDA in the UK TT.
Personally speaking, current UK TT development making MY & SG can only be added to Japan TT and formed somekind of SEATO alliance including Japan + 5 ASEAN founder + ANZAC. It doesn’t need to add all vehicle at the same time but what it make is giving enough vehicle to Japan to added in the future, but I think there definitely some players from certain country calling this Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere (GEACPS) TT🤣
Eh… that seems to be the trend. Also to say that under this suggestion of any is kind of ironic.
Rather not have any sub-tree. Do you hear yourself, man? MiG-29 and some old T-series?
I think this is a misrepresentation. Nothing much to offer top tier but Myanmar has a defense manufacturing industry. EE-9 Cascavels and BTR-4 are some interesting additions Myanmar could offer, which I think is pretty good enough considering that the China TT does still have a lot more domestic options that it could add.
Harsh, but I get what you mean.
Personally I don’t think the actual content is an issue, just that Singaporean players don’t want it. It’s like SK to Japan, where it’s just the most controversial option to solve a problem that has a better solution (in China’s case that is fixing domestic content).
For western vehicles in China though I really don’t mind. I’m honestly pretty excited to see if the rumored ROC rafale deal goes through because I think that could be an interesting addition.
Yeah, probably not the most enticing examples, but there is interesting subtree content.
For example I’m really interested in the later Pakistani T-80UD variants and maybe even the Oplot-P.
I do think China can and probably should have a stronger domestic focus for now, but there is still interesting options here.
OMG I’m sorry I really don’t think before speaking and it’s always you catching strays. I’m sorry I feel so bad now. 😭😭
Let me rephrase, if one has support for this idea, which is fine… I don’t think at all Singapore would be excessive for China (in regards of content).
And this is another issue. I personally know one who is a little obsessed with Taiwan, so he wants it to happen. But again, it’s one.
For those I am too, but one must still remember to ask before suggesting a sub-tree: Does it deserve a full line? Because (speaking for aviation) I would really, really rather have a 5th Chinese l before any of those suggested nations…
Rafale is going to be the new Gripen god bless💔
Even though I’d like to see more ASEAN tech introduced to the game, notably to have at least something to go for in JP tt (before sub-trees it was on life support, almost in coma I’d say), I think some of that “Eastern” tech should not really be researchable material.
Ik that something like Su-30/MiG-29 have different (western) systems included, but I believe they shall be more of event/permium material, unless the modification/modernisation was deep enough to define it as almost a domestic design.
Aside of that, +1
In my opinion it should not be what is “Eastern” and what is “Western”. But what is needed and what is not.
Indonesia (confirmed), Thailand (duh) and one more, Philippines or Malay maybe? should do for the meantime.
Like MKM is somewhat unique as MKI is. Should not be left out because it’s “Eastern”, if they go with Malaysia.
True to most extent, but it also depends on what is offered for said planes.
If somehow Su-30 gets into the game [sub-tree], devs can pull out the “systems for such weaponry available but was not purchased/fielded? give them weapons” type crap like they did with Swiss aviation sub-tree, and having a yet another Kh-38MT slinger is… meh, to say the least.
Edit: also, I didn’t say the tech should be “left out” because it is of Eastern or Western origin. What I meant was whether changes done to aircrafts, say, of Eastern tech by including Western tech actually changes playstyle. Again, speaking of Su-30, if Kh-38s are given to it, there would be no reason for GBUs that were the defining thing of the aircraft in Malaysian service specifically.
If no difference is made, then it shall rather become premium/event/squadron than regular researchable one.
Yeah, I’d also rather not make the most unique functionality of the variant (GBU integration) irrelevant through a weapon it never had.
Call me crazy but I wouldn’t mind it getting passed around a little (not being RU exclusive), the 38. Japan, UK and China all have (Japan being potential just yet) aircraft that are ‘compatible’. Su-30MKM, 30MKI, and 35.
But of course. It’s fine and probably better if they do not.
I simply did not mention everything under the sun there is for Myanmar, was a wall text I didn’t want to bother at that time of day where I was, so I simply mentioned what I would like to see Myanmar offer the Chinese tree the most, their latest MiG-29, simple as, of course they have more to give
