Eventually, in time will come, the fact that Indonesia is appearing with a completely unrelated vehicle to Japan is a great sign
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Unfortunately there is a lack of info for the Iglas. They have not been spotted in pictures and I personally have not read that they are equipped with them.
Gaijin can add things based on ‘the vehicle’s ability to mount them still exists’ but if from a bug report and we need to prove of it’s existence… that might be hard.
If you have info/pictures of TNI’s Mi-35p carrying Igla or even displaying it on the floor during exhibition, it would greatly help.
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^^^ The only source about Iglas for Mi-35P that I knew is from SIPRI, no other info or photo of it though. Other branches of the Indonesian military also does not have Igla
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after further reading i’ve came to the same conclusion pretty much
It could be that the Igla on SIPRI refers to the PZR Grom which is used by the Indonesian Army on the Huzar Poprad
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I mean basically every AH-64 besides the American ones and Japanese one shouldn’t have ATAS, but they are given them anyways
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Friend, they are saying that Japanese (D) and American (A, D) Apaches are the only ones that have ATAS in reality, but everyone else (that isn’t US or JP) got them as well (wrongly).
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Thank you for pointing out my mistake I’ll correct it now
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By the way I asked Smin for an explanation as to why the F-5TH is at a BR of 13.3 instead of 13.0 like its peers, I’m awaiting for his response but if he doesn’t reply or if I think it warrants it I’ll open a bug report and I’ll share it so you guys can help by clicking “I have the same issue”. The jet has no extra features over its peers that would justify 13.3 instead of 13.0
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Wish it were the case, it has 9Ms, but so does the F-4F ICE have 9LIs which are just smokey 9Ms in practice, and carries double of both fox 3s and 2s, is faster, etc, 13.0 lol
my biggest assumption rn is because 13.3 damn barren rn (yeah they’d added AMRAAM ADFs not long ago but still not much compared to 12.7 and 13.0)
I do agree 13.3 is too much for F-5TH
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Obviously, they don’t have to force a 13.3 where it’s not even needed, it’s a pretty niche BR, if it were the case then they’d put the Thai OCU down, and I’ll argue a 14.0/14.3 is needed more than a forced and overtiered F-5 at 13.3 just because “the tree doesn’t have any”. Sure an F-5 with 2 fox 3s and 9Ms is totally comparable to F-16ADFs flying around with 6 fox 3s, trust
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f-5th higher than kfir, f4f ice and j-8f is so nasty
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oh yeah the RTAF F-16A 15OCU is also an ADF with AMRAAM so they could get that one down to 13.3 too (even when it has A2G weapons unlike other ADFs does it really worth it on 13.7 ARB like is there even anyone farming ground unit with it on ARB)(I just realize it has HMD but then MiG-29SMT also has them is the HMD even be the reason it’s on 13.7) and have the F-5TH to 13.0 instead
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Reason it’s at 13.7 is because of AIM-9Ms, but then again even though it’s worse than F-16s airframe wise, the MiG-29SMT has R-73s and it’s at 13.3, the ADFs could get the 9M considering it doesn’t even have HMD too and less countermeasures than the SMT, Su-33s are running around at 13.0 with up to 8ERs and you can swap 2 of those for 27ETs, the rest R-73s, not fox 3s but pretty potent kit, I guess the F-16s are too good? Lol
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It’s really just a weird mix of the Thai F-16A OCU (name and model), F-16A/B ADF (AMRAAM and low CM count), F-16A/B eMLU (HMD) and F-16B OCU (Israeli missiles).
If they just picked any one of these it could be better, the OCUs could be great attack focused F-16s without AMRAAM and with more CMs, the ADF could just be an ADF and the eMLU would actually be a good 13.7 more comparable to other F-16s at the BR.
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I wouldn’t mind a lower BR OCU without amraams and focused more on attack, and a higher BR OCU with more countermeasures and all the bells and whistles
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there should be imo a lower br ocu with no radar missiles at 12.3, then there should be an adf at 12.7 with 7ms then a mlu at 13.7. all foldered ofc
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Not quite, why would or should there be an ADF at 12.7 when the F-16AJ would be better in every way than that? The AJ is Japan’s stand in for the 12.7 spec ADF and it’s better because it’s a Block 10 airframe which flies better and with Sparrows, not to mention the ground weaponry it has (and ADFs lack) and for anyone else reading this that might want to use the argument “but the AJ doesn’t exist” well it exists ingame, we’re long past that argument, so unless or until gaijin decide to give it the R2Y2 treatment (which will honestly be quite hard due to the higher popularity of the AJ compared to R2Y2s and specially now that a slight increase in AJ players can be noticed after some players displeased with the BR increase of the ADFs and MLU flocked to it) then an ADF of an old spec is literally pointless and worse than the AJ in every way, flight model and weaponry wise.
Which is why an OCU focused on ground attack like France’s 13.0 Belgian F-16 would make more sense, and honestly the current OCU could go down in BR to 13.3 just fine, flight model aside, the F-16D is at that BR with access to 9Ms, HMD, better radar, a difference of flight performance between the ADF and 16D isn’t that dramatic. Don’t forget the F-16A Block 15 eMLU exists in real life for Thailand which would be the proper 13.7 F-16 for Thailand, being unique enough to feature a radar HMD via the APG-68 (V9) a better variant of the radar found in the current 16C. It would be pretty much a F-16C in practice but retaining the lighter and more nimble flight model of the Block 15s, some of Thailand’s F-16 eMLUs were purchased from Singapore and those actually feature a Block 30/32 airframe with the internals of an ADF and upgrades of the MLU package, how cool is that?
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The OCU never had AMRAAM, and always had the capability for 4 CM dispensers (120 CMs). It’s focused on attack now since the ADF took a dedicated interceptor role carrying AMRAAM. I’d consider the proper OCU a sidegrade to the Belgian F-16 at 13.0, with IRCCM missiles but no AMRAAM. It would get more internal CMs but no external options (meaning less in total), but also get more ground attack options and ATLIS TGP.
The OCU only got features like AMRAAM and HMD through the eMLU upgrade, which I’d count as a different variant entirely. This one could sit at 13.7 like the OCU does now and possibly higher once we get weapons like the AIM-120C-7 and IRIS-T it carries.
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Thailands eMLUs were a separate upgrade of some OCU airframes. Sadly none of these were Singaporean OCUs.
That being said, you’re still right about the Singaporean F-16 OCUs that Thailand bought being special. They were ordered by Singapore in 1988, the same time as the initial order of Thai F-16 OCUs, but to a unique standard. This meant they were built around the strengthened Block 30 series airframe of the F-16C and had the optional drogue chute in the tail.
Thai F-16A OCU bought from Singapore
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