21.5 to 22.5deg/s is negligible?
Where do you even see 22.5
In the su-27
At what speed
Actually im wondering if we’re even looking at the same graph
You are using statshark bro. Its not very reliable
It’s reliable enough
I already told you when comparing to the gripen
But that’s the version that literally Just got nerfed
So It makes no sense
Show me
Don’t you have a flanker? Turn WTRTI on and just look at the STR values in your screen. My capture software won’t record the WTRTI overlay.
At high speeds (±750kph IAS) the base su27 is doing about 22.2deg/s, the su27sm is doing 22.5, the j-11b is probably similar to the 27sm.
At slow speeds, the su27 and su27sm are very similar, the j11b a little better.
Can’t do It on console i don’t think so
I’ll see if I can record using Rivatuner as overlay
I managed to record it, I am uploading a gripen and su27sm video, I also miscalculated a bit… The su27sm doesn’t match the gripen in sustained turn rate. It beats it! lol. The base su-27 will match the gripen, the sm does a bit better.
Give me a few minutes
The Su-27 doesn’t act like it has thrust vectoring at all in testing.
It definitely doesn’t have “arcade levels” of lift.
It has 20.5 degrees per second on minimum fuel:
Vs Gripen at 20.8:
Su-30SM2 is 19.6 degrees per second on minimum fuel. Hard to get a test, so here’s Statshark, with F-15JM having 40% fuel:
The engines are very much not over-performing at speed.
The Su-27SM matches F-15C in acceleration passed mach 1 now, it’s still slower in subsonic acceleration though.
Structural limit =/= engine speed limit.
This is why I’m annoyed at the F-15s underperforming top speeds. F-15A should be able to reach mach 2.5 with ease, and rip after it. But it doesn’t because the guidelines limit is used and Gaijin reduces engine thrust to cause it to barely do 2.3.
The Su-27SM and J-11B are the best performing Flankers in the world for a reason.
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Try both at 750 kph im curious
Doing a very consistent sustained turn rate at high speeds is hard, you need to disable pilot blackout (or have ace crew), and with mouse aim on full controls is hard to keep the exact same altitude (because if you start climbing or descending you loose/gain turn rate or speed) and to keep the same pull, specially the flankers don’t pull linearly so its extra hard.
So the videos are kinda long to give a good estimate because I have to choose the best times where I manage to keep the speed, sustained turn rate (SEP=0) and altitude the best I can with the mouse.
Around 750kph,
The gripen C seems to do around 22.4-22.5deg/s
Su-27SM seems to do a tad over that, at 22.7deg/s
Gripen C
Su-27SM
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2 random pictures where we can’t see if you are even doing a SEP=0 turn, furthermore, a clean gripen vs a su27 with a full missile load. Yeah great comparison alvis
Gripen is also massively overperforming tho lol
An accepted bug report that nukes its high speed performance is yet to be implemented. And overall retention is too high.
But i suspect gaijin thinks the fm is the only thing going for it.
Which was nerfed today, it is back to nearly its original high speed turning performance.
A bit worse in some aspects at super high speeds.
The only thing positive overall was low to mediuk speeds and their retention.