Actually, you can see it in here in 0:23. Enabled from crew moving joy
(39) Danish Army’s Leopard 2A7 during obstacle course live fire exercises - YouTube
Here’s the Leopard 2E of the Spanish Army:
360°/ (286 Frames / 30 FPS ) = ~37.8°/s (with turret acceleration and de-acceleration), possible it wasn’t maintained properly either.
But case in point, this is yet another video of a Leopard 2 doing it much faster than 30°/s @_David_Bowie
(39) Leopard 2A7V Demo - YouTube
I believe this one is going to be the best showcase. For the first 3 minutes of video crew (specifically gunner) turns turret at many various speeds. In 2:20/3:50 you can see gunner jumping into power mode
I don’t need turret speed, I need a way on how to enable that mode. Because it can be similarly applied to vehicles using Vincorion drives. (PUMA, Centauro)
At this point it doesn’t even matter. We’ve provided plenty of visual evidence that VINCORIN drives allow you to turn your turret at high speeds, and they themselves state rotational speeds of 40°/s are very much possible - the way they do it is quite frankly irrelevant.
For the Centauro, check which one has VINCORIN drives…
So unless we’re proving it it’s gonna get nerfed to an abysmal 9 and 30°/s?
“Prove this thing cus we’re going to ignore the easily and publicly available information that we’ve had for years at this point…”
“No, we can’t use this because it’s uh, erm, classified, anyways here’s your forum ban”
No, I need it. This may not seem important, but it is.
Its enabled by the gunner. By using his gun control device. 1:50, KMW Virtual Reality trainer. Before somebody say, yes its gunner position
(40) KMW VR Trainer - Leopard 2A7 Turret Simulation - YouTube
You enable it by turning the controller hard to one or the other side…
edit: welp, 3OF26 actually showed how, lol.
Thanks
Im simply amazed how you guys find this in the deepest parts of the internet. I lack this ability.
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- Discussed here…under the spoiler…Video Evidence of Russian Bias. Experiment video for my other post. Please watch - #483 by ZVO_12_INCH
- Французская “Катрина”: как в России импортозаместили тепловизоры для бронетехники (xn–b1aga5aadd.xn–p1ai)
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Moreover, the old French photodetector had far from the best NETD (Noise equivalent temperature difference – the temperature difference equivalent to noise; in Russian scientific publications there is both the abbreviation ESHRT and RTESH). This is an indicator of how well a thermal imaging detector is able to distinguish minor differences in thermal radiation.
In conditions when the temperature differences of the observed objects are minimal (cold weather, rain, fog), a thermal imager with a lower NETD value will show a better and more informative image. In other words, in a device with a lower NETD value, the details of objects with even small differences in temperature will be more contrasting and more noticeable.
The Pluto LW has a NETD score of <70 mK, and the Russian device has <25 mK.
3.What evidence do you have on KLW-1… KLW-1 ASTERIA thermal camera - PCO S.A. (pcosa.com.pl)
So what standard does Gaijin use to judge which generation one thermal imager belongs to? Detection unit number or display pixels?
Up until now, they would round to the closest ingame thermal generation based on the specific displayed pixel resolution, unless they had no specified resolution, in which case theyd go with the specified thermal generation.
The sticking point is that we’ve now found out they did that for western thermal imagers, but NOT for russian ones. Russian thermal imagers got to be whatever generation they were defined as regardless of their resolution, or in worse cases, might be complete and total guesses, seeing as the 2S6M has better thermals than the Pantsir S1 despite the Pantsir S1 being ~18 years newer than than 2S6M.
It also doesnt line up with the visual evidence we see from the war, such as video footage of the Ka-52’s thermal imager, which looks freaking terrible…
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Video recorded on data tape, or poor quality cameras looking at screens cannot reliably show how well thermals are.
Referencing your Ka-52 claim.
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I am low-key expecting them to make this a second generation camera when 2A6MA3 is added:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/553364431636004885/1157406457713660044/381600078_6820905427971877_2301825246167901536_n.png?ex=653c16c3&is=6529a1c3&hm=c8a8518d603268e189584cce763ed6a42ae58b5489bc8d62f3ce80189bf14ee7&=&width=1212&height=909
This is ATTICA 3rd generation btw. Photo made with a phone, but quality is exceptional (for those who believe taking photos of the thermal view with a phone significantly lowers the image quality).
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That photo does not prove what generation the Ka-52’s thermal system is. When using digital zoom for long range, image quality deteriorates significantly.
Also, all helicopters have Gen 3 thermal.
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Theres a good chance the Ka-52 uses 3rd gen thermals irl, but by game definition up until now, where thermals generation was dictated by resolution, theres a good chance no russian vehicles should get anything above 2nd gen. Arguing this point is disengenuous seeing as until recently, Russia was still using Catherine Fc/Xp, which we know the resolution of and is just below ingame gen 2 thermals. When they started producing their own as a replacement (PNM-T) the resolution dropped further, to near gen 1 levels in-game.
Its disingenuous to pretend this isn’t true, and the fact combine harvesters were mistaken for western tanks just proves the fact their resolution isn’t particularly fantastic.
We’ve already argued over the fact that by current in-game standards, all russian tanks should have their thermal gen dropped to Gen 2, and you’ve already said you’d instead try to get the 2PL buffed to gen 3 instead. There’s no point in you arguing here, as I’m just comparing in-game footage vs irl footage.
Thats just false, they have Gen 2+ thermals which isnt quite gen 3, which actually leads into another funny point, the Russian tree, with its inconsistant and quite frankly hilarious implementation of thermals, has many inconsistencies, most notably;
- The 2S6 with the 2S6M (1990) modification gets gen 3 thermals, while the Pantsir S1 (2008) gets gen 2. This implies the soviets were ~20 years ahead of Russia in thermals technology, if not further, seeing as afaik, the Pantsir S1 thermals arent even russian made…
- The T-72B3 UBH gets Gen 2 thermals while the T-80BVM gets gen 3 despite both tanks using Sosna-U gunners sight.
- The 2S25M and 2S38 get gen 3, presumably because they’re “new” and so despite their being, afaik, no information on their optics, its been assumed they get gen 3 gunner/commanders