Answering your concerns regarding spall liners, MBTs and Aircraft

And if you consider some random numbers are ‘‘solid evidence’’ than you have no standarts in that case.

Same old skill issue excuse, that screenshots shows clearly that i aimed on his ammo caruosel and didnt missed anything, the reason why he managed to survive its because his spall liner is completely abosrbed my shell.

Let me remind you that your general performance at top tier is nothing special, i suggest stop using skill issue excuse.

Didnt realized VT-4A1 was there so sure lets fix that part but didnt surprised you cherrypicked again.
Also your service record on VT-4A1 is not impressive compare to your claims, i guess skill issue?

According to you of course.

İF you remove Tusk kit it basically becomes regular M1A2 with better thermals which doesnt change overall gameplay and if you keep Tusk kit it basically becomes SepV2, now explain to me how does SEPV1 is actually better then those tanks.

Which is basically M1A2 plus better thermals so it doesnt change its overall performance.

Which is more then enough considering every 3 minutes he demonstrated us how T90M is actually survivable.

So better protection doesnt increase your survivability? Damn those engineers must be dumb to work so hard to increase protection level on those tanks for years.

İts even better in that case considering T90M has very good armor coverage and actual proper Spall Liners that can protect its crew effectively, meanwhile most of those tanks doesnt even have spall liner except Challenger which placement on that tank is so bad you could consider it doesnt have spall liners most of the time.

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Survivability from a rational standpoint is the complete opposite:

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Tanks (the ones we’re talking about here) can be seen, can be acquired, can be hit, and Russian tanks (in game) are much, much better at not being penetrated. Russian tanks (in game) have much better survivability than others.

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M829A3 would benefit the game. I am sick and tired of firing a round only for ERA to absorb it. M829A3, has an extra tip, designed to penetrate Russian ERA.

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And so do many shells already ingame, but this isn’t modelled.

M829A3 would have 662mm of pen, but otherwise, nothing different, which is why Gaijin said “it wouldn’t make a difference” and why I therefore do not understand why they didn’t give it to SEPv2 already so that at least it feels like an upgrade in ONE way.

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“In the near future, we will update the DM for Leopard 2 tanks, therefore correcting any minor discrepancies.”

Can 10 months be considered near future?

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This did indeed did not improve the Abrams. So what’s next?

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You don’t consider a 5 sec reload an improvement?

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Bringing it closer to its IRL capability isn’t really improvement, no. The internet has plenty of videos of loaders getting it down into the four second area. So still some work to do there. Was referring more to it’s in-game efficiency has been improved. The point of the reload change was to help it’s performance in matches, and it would appear to still be the worst, or one of the worst, performing MBTs at top tier.

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The Leopard 2 can also do that and all the other tanks with NATO 120s can do so as well with a skilled loader.
So should we give everyone a 4 sec reload?

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I mean it was an improvement, although still falls way way short of the level of the Strv 122s/2A7s (guess hopefully some they they’ll add the SEPv3 and MBTs for other nations that can close the gap a bit).

However if we purely going off this statement:

Seeing how the numbers are still bad I don’t think the buffs had any real effect, partially because they didn’t adress some of the problems which caused US winrates to be so low.

Don’t get me wrong, I think the Abrams is a great tank (just far from the level of the 2A7s/Strv 122s). I just think that the bad winrates can be attributed to either bad players or the Abrams itself alone. There are more factors involved.

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Agreed. Personally after playing it myself I think the 3 largest culprit to the win rate in no particular order are

  1. Lack of AA options spreading throughout 11.0, 11.3 and 11.7 lineups. This helps their CAS options and makes them much more consistent than that of the US options. While we have amazing CAS we also get to go against the strongest AA the game in the Pansir… What we have to do is much more than what they have to do. We can’t just spawn jets in to help because of having to fight both Pansir and enemy aircraft while they don’t have that much of a burden on that department.

  2. ODL at high% in majority of matches you play. This alone only highlights the other two issues and personally feel this is the most impactful one.

  3. The Abrams themselves. Not going to say they are bad but their survivability is among some of the worst in top tier compared to its peers. It’s gun handling and offensive traits are strong but not the best but above average I would say. But I can’t stress enough how easily they are killed/disabled. And now that they added that stupid hydraulic pump where they did and how they did it just magnifies this to were it’s impossible not to notice it negatively impacting something that was already on the easy side to do.

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The matchmaker is a factor too but not that relevant at top tier.
The US has a very good overall lineup to stand by itself.

If Germany was fighting alone they would get utterly massacred because the CAS and SPAA are absolute crap.

Now let’s say the Abrams gets a DU hull.
Almost everyone would still pen it and the ones that can’t just goes for neck.
You cannot make the armor profile compete with a T-90M or even the heavily underperforming 2A7V without unrealistic buffs.

It’s not the Abrams being bad, it’s that all the good players have migrated to the more interesting and meta additions.
The SEP V2 is just boring next to T-90M, 2A7V/HU, TKX etc. and since most other nations have somewhat equally good lineups with F-15, F-16, AH-64 or Russian equivalents the US lineup is simply boring despite having all the tools needed for top tier.

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Again partially. Part of the reason that US teams lose so much is that they are made up mostly of tanks that can’t really take map control, compared to Russian/Swedish/German teams that can do so easily.

But yeah FOTM is a big part. Germany got a massive upgrade and Russia at least got an interesting sidegrade. The SEPv2 is a straight up downgrade over the SEPv1.

And worst thing is it feels like now they are trying to lure people back to the US with unneeded DOA (in GRB) like the A-10C.
Like “come on guys why don’t you guys come play the US, we are adding totally cool new things the shitbucket A-10C, surely you want to come and be a free RP piniata for the Pantsir right?” Instead of adding something useful to top tier US.

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If they want to keep the Abrams tanks as glass canons, at least they could go full route and give SEPv2 M829A3, which, apart from being its historical shell choice, “wouldn’t be much better than M829A2”, in Gaijin’s words.

If it wouldn’t be much better and it wouldn’t be unbalanced, why haven’t they added it yet?

At least that way SEPv2 would feel like an upgrade in ONE way compared to SEP and A2.

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fix turret ring
fix hydraulic pump

abrams fix when gaijin?

they just fixed hydraulic pump of sweden leo 2a4 but abrams nuh uh 💀💀

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If worse tanks like Challys, Merks and Arietes are performing better, the players might be a big part of it. I don’t see how Gaijin is supposed to buff US mains’ game knowledge and skill.

There is a lot more to the US winrates than either just bad players or the Abrams itself (depending on which side of the argument you are), but most people just instantly go to either of these as the sole reason.

Matchups are a huge part too.

For example, Italy tends to be matched up with the Sweden+Germany combo, while U.S tends to be matched up against such combo. Hence, having tanks more on par with the 122s/2A7s would help.

It’s funny to think that even Italy, with Leopard 2A7HU, has a 122/7V equivalent, while U.S does not. Sure, the American lineup is still better otherwise, but it’s funny to think that now Italy contributes to first-spawn stomping by adding their 2A7HUs to the hordes of 2A7Vs and 122s.


Another factor until now was ADATS costing as much SP to spawn as an MBT, but Gladfully that was fixed!

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Again, if the tank was the problem, or the lineup, there are worse tanks and worse lineups. With worse AA and CAS/CAP too. Prems can’t be the whole deal either because other nations have those too. But every nation that isn’t the US is doing fine.

There really is only one variable left.

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Israel and Britain tend to be matched with the US, weirdly those don’t have trouble performing.

US + Germany or US + Sweden isn’t rare to see either because some people use squad matchmaking to avoid fighting tanks they don’t like, which forces those match ups.

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