Yes, but your comment was “I hate to say it, but these documents combined don’t prove which variants have improved KE/CE hull armour protection.”
What i posted is the counter to that.
Knowing Gaijin they will very likely just say “we don’t believe the SEPv3 had improved hull armor”, no matter what we throw at them.
I’ll complain about the sad excuse of an addition that is the SEPv2. It’s litterally worse than the SEPv1 already in game and I’m not alone in saying this.
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Notice that the SA receiving the 3rd gen package developed for the SEP program says improved frontal armor protection, while separately qualifying side armor improvement to the turret only.
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Prompts the question. Improved in what way? Better protected against which threats?
Ok. Not specific, is it. You can try and argue the semantics but it’s not proof there is specifically D.U. in the hull. Gaijin already believes there’s no D.U. in the hull, you need to convince them otherwise.
Again, this prompts the question. Is that a standard modification? As you know, the license authorises unlimited D.U. Hulls, but “on request” which you can argue implies it’s not a standard thing or whatever.
All you need to do is find two independent documents which say something like “X Abrams variant has D.U. hull composite which improves its KE and CE protection.” then you can be happy and enjoy the game. Until then, clearly Gaijin won’t shift.
If it’s put in the turret only, then technically it has a 3rd gen armour package, doesn’t it?
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Good Joke.
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Have you ever tried to find some information? I think no
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It means there’s 1 document so far which indicates there is D.U. in the hull of some variants. Doesn’t actuall specify which variants. I’m not really sure how much faith I’d put in the Bovington Tank Museum’s book, I don’t think it claims to be an authoritative source on the matter, more of entertaining light reading.
Find another source which corroborates it, then you’d have better chances with Gaijin.
Sorry fam, you gotta post the protection value on SEPv3, else it just SEpv1 but with APS LMAO
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Gotta love those rubber era inserts on the t80 tanks in Ukraine though right
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We’ll soon be releasing a dev blog on the hull armor for the M1 Abrams series of tanks, where we’ll explain why we believe that hull armor was not reinforced on production vehicles. However, we’re not satisfied with the current effectiveness of all M1 variants with a 120 mm gun, so we’re looking at other ways to improve them.
Ok, what about the upgraded turret armor? There’s undeniable evidence that the SEP and SEPv2 should have better turret armor because of new DU inserts.
The first consideration is the addition of a new M829A3 shell which we’ve also seen requests and suggestions for. We’ve discussed this option, but the addition of this shell in comparison with the M829A2 will not enhance the Abrams capability against top-tier vehicles that are equipped with modern armor and built-in ERA systems.
Literally huffing copium. The designers of M829A3 have a patent showing that tungsten penetrators with solid tips penetrate ERA at least 20% more effectively. A3 is made of DU, which has better penetration characteristics because the tip of the penetrator doesn’t bloom after penetrating, like it does with tungsten.
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Dude Gaijin won’t even implement the standard DU armor on the M1A1 HC which is the Marine Corps variant of the M1A1 HA despite multiple detailed bug reports. If you want more context you can check the bug report forums where there are at least 2 highly detailed bug reports on the M1A2 Abrams about this. In fact, many of the people you’re responding to in this thread worked on those bug reports.
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I agree with the sentiment but under no circumstance - do NOT, I repeat, DO NOT - read who the author of that article is.
Its, so painfully obvious to good pilots. I just wish I could enjoy my 1950’s jets without being clubbed by some under tiered attacker with 70s missiles. It all began when the Harriers came into game. It’s sad that good planes have lower BR because they can be obtained by credit cards. Ruins the gameplay and makes it pointless to play a lot of tech tree aircraft.
Decompression to 13.0 would be perfect, I’ve been saying that to everybody that will listen for a while. It sucks, Gaijin got so close to the right balanced, just stopped a step too short.
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The 3rd generation armor packages include the hull. Why else would they state that DU in hulls and turrets otherwise? Any mention of a limit of 5 hulls was removed in Aug 2006 when license with License Number SUB-1536 was amended. 2006 is still when the SEP program was in SEP V1 stage. The Congressional report just linked with the text talks about the SAs getting the 3rd gen package for entire frontal protection improvement in reference to the SEP programs.:
https://www.nrc.gov/docs/ML0624/ML062410022.pdf
You can try to dodge this all you want. The 3rd generation package developed during the SEP program was installed in other Abrams variants after 2006 amendment removing all limits. SEP V2 program evolution started in FY 2008. Meaning this was done during the SEP programs first evolution.
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Sadly we don’t know how much protection we get from the DU generation.
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The fact that you don’t believe it is irrelevant, we’ve provided hundreds of sources that prove so.
get real, WE WANT BALANCE NOT PROPAGANDA.
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Watch when M1A2 SEPv3 get added, it will weight more with no armor improvement because there is no " source" on the “protection value” but hey, you get an APS!
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I’m not unsympathetic.
I just find that whenever I read these bug reports the sources cited always weasel out of saying anything meaningful, they just say nonsense like “Better crew survivability” “improved protection” which mean nothing whatsoever.
Always prompting questions. Never giving a clear and satisfactory answer. Never positive proof.
Secretary of Defense source was not accepted either so good luck lol
And just like that, American top tier ground is dead.
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