120 countermeasure (AMX A-1A) vs 256 countermeasures (SU-25BM)
The time that Su-25BM can stay in fighting, and the chance that it actually secures a kill (gun pods + IRCCM) is much larger than the AMX that struggles.
It’s not like that these AMX has way more powerful power to weight thrust either.
I will admit i will never understand this. Its dedicated ground pounder. Its main task is to pound ground. Its kit is built around pounding ground. Its A2A capabilites should be centered about self defense.
WHY it should be effective in air to air role?
Yes, Air battles are built around A2A combat. There can and should be discussion about making the whole mode more dedicated ground pounders friendly (trying to get walleyes on A7E, not even spading it, was geniunely the worst experience I had in a while), but dedicated ground pounders should never be as effective in A2A role as dedicated A2A aircrafts.
I feel the AMX could easily move down to 10.7 and be fine. Since the MAA-1 is kinda of a sidegrade (more of a downgrade tbh) to the 9L, less range for more pull.
However, ground pounding in air battles won’t become a really multi-aspect and detailed thingy, at least not in forseen future. Everything devs did about ground pounding was reducing players’ urge to do that (see base bombing on fighters with S-8/S-13/Zuni/FFAR/Mighty Mouse and tickets depletion from base destruction, even tho these changes are fair). Air battles really lack variable air-to-ground scenarios, yet devs, at very least, provide more options for anti-ship equipment in air battles (still hella useless but better than nothing).
As we also have BR division between these and ground battles, it is more than fair to ask for BR changes in air battles while looking at A2A loadouts (I think AMX A-1A would benefit quite a lot as a premium from such approach).
Until devs get around more detailed and tweaked air-to-ground gameplay in air battles, ARB should be defined more on A2A capabilities, and GRB — more on A2G.
Su-25BM is a technically correct comparison, but a fiddly comparison nonetheless due to it being a bit of a rarely played event vehicle that probably should be 11.3
The better comparison should be with the AMX on the TT and comparing the MAA-1 with the Aim-9L. Personally, I think the MAA-1 is largerly a sidegrade rather than an upgrade and the AMX on the TT does have an easier to use (though not necessarily better) gun. In pretty much every other respect they are the same iirc.
When also compared to something similar ish, like the Sea Harrier FRS1e, it is also hard to justify the AMX A-1A being 11.0, as the FRS1e is faster and handles better, though at the cost of survivability.
With the TT AMX being 10.7, the AMX A-1A probably should be 10.7.
People are right though, mud movers, pretty much all of them, are at a disadvantage within ARB, they will either be kinda OP or DOA and there isnt any meaningful way to have something inbetween with the current gamemode setup, Its just not designed for mud movers. In ASB where mud movers thrive the AMX A-1A is a lot better, but its still hard to justify it being 11.0.
fair enough, but as long as these tweaks wont result in dedicated ground pounder suddenly becoming just as effective in A2A combat as dedicated A2A platform.
DEFA hits harder, but is a lot harder to aim due to lower muzzle velocity. So it swing about and I would largely place it as personal preference than one being better than the other. Though I also wouldnt get into many dogfights in the AMX A-1A if it can be avoided and instead the DEFA are better for ground strafes
Whilst I do have the AMX A-1A. My main frame reference is with the 30mm ADEN and my general experience is that a few really good hits tear targets to shreds, but landing those hits conistantly is really hard. There are some differences in round types used but I cant imagine those would have an overwhelming difference
But miniguns have a waaay higher DPS. The volume of fire it can put out in the target space is like 3-6x times of DEFA and it’s way more accurate in regards to spread.
I would generally say defa is better, mainly because I can hit things with the defa but can’t hit things with the M61. Also the M61 feels just worse when it eventually connects.
Take my opinion with a grain of salt tho, I also prefer the Russian 23mm to most cannons.
This really needs to be looked at…The AMX A-1A also lacks radar which is important for the front on melee attacks with the R-60M of MiG-21 which has good radar ACM for locking targets so the missile seeker stay locked to target even if target flares.
I think MAA-1 has fast activation time? so that would be perfect tactic for it if it’s got a radar to seek things.
